1 00:00:09,238 --> 00:00:10,942 - Welcome to America. 2 00:00:10,943 --> 00:00:12,172 Going out to the desert tomorrow. 3 00:00:12,173 --> 00:00:13,712 That should be a lot of fun, eh? 4 00:00:13,713 --> 00:00:14,664 - Yeah, it will be. 5 00:00:14,665 --> 00:00:16,369 - [Man] If you could step back, you're on camera. 6 00:00:16,370 --> 00:00:17,203 - Oh, okay. 7 00:00:18,184 --> 00:00:20,883 This is your happening and I think a lot of people, 8 00:00:20,884 --> 00:00:22,529 about 300, are gonna be out there. 9 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:25,938 - Yeah, we got like six buses going down there. 10 00:00:25,939 --> 00:00:28,154 Six buses full of people. 11 00:00:28,155 --> 00:00:29,364 - [Interviewer] And you have a show tonight 12 00:00:29,365 --> 00:00:30,326 at Perkins Palace? 13 00:00:30,327 --> 00:00:31,475 - Yeah, that's right. 14 00:00:31,476 --> 00:00:32,309 - [Interviewer] And you've got two 15 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:34,042 wildly different environments performing, 16 00:00:34,043 --> 00:00:38,485 are you cautious at all about playing in the desert? 17 00:00:38,486 --> 00:00:39,320 - Cautious? 18 00:00:39,321 --> 00:00:41,049 What does cautious mean? 19 00:00:41,050 --> 00:00:43,718 (ominous music) 20 00:01:46,112 --> 00:01:48,946 (punk rock music) 21 00:01:50,182 --> 00:01:52,576 ♪ Break down ♪ 22 00:01:52,577 --> 00:01:54,994 ♪ Break down ♪ 23 00:01:56,226 --> 00:01:58,976 (lyrics muffled) 24 00:02:04,391 --> 00:02:06,410 - In the early 80's, I think the rest of the world 25 00:02:06,411 --> 00:02:10,115 saw LA as this brain dead, sun baked, 26 00:02:10,116 --> 00:02:14,589 smoggy sprawl, which it actually kind of was. 27 00:02:15,838 --> 00:02:17,521 For those of us that grew up here 28 00:02:17,522 --> 00:02:20,692 the early 80's was actually a really vital 29 00:02:20,693 --> 00:02:21,802 and interesting time. 30 00:02:21,803 --> 00:02:25,856 It was a time of experimentation and rebellion. 31 00:02:28,124 --> 00:02:30,284 In 1982, I was 21 years old. 32 00:02:30,285 --> 00:02:33,394 I had dropped out of college and I was working for 33 00:02:33,395 --> 00:02:35,544 a municipal bond broker doing phone sales. 34 00:02:35,545 --> 00:02:39,504 I was very involved in the scene, which was punk rock, 35 00:02:39,505 --> 00:02:41,475 but it was also a lot of really unusual 36 00:02:41,476 --> 00:02:42,729 music and performance. 37 00:02:47,797 --> 00:02:49,596 - I was 19, 20 years old. 38 00:02:49,597 --> 00:02:52,477 I was very much into punk rock 39 00:02:52,478 --> 00:02:54,273 and going to shows all the time. 40 00:02:54,274 --> 00:02:59,274 It felt just natural that it was just a part of our lives 41 00:02:59,289 --> 00:03:04,290 that we would go up to Al's Bar and go to the Anti-Club 42 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,851 and go to the Whiskey to see shows all the time. 43 00:03:07,852 --> 00:03:10,930 - You could go out every night of the week, pretty much, 44 00:03:10,931 --> 00:03:13,000 there was live music, three amazing bands. 45 00:03:13,001 --> 00:03:15,880 Raji's, The Whiskey, the Veil. 46 00:03:15,881 --> 00:03:18,306 Hollywood as a scene was really small. 47 00:03:18,307 --> 00:03:20,671 We knew everybody. 48 00:03:20,672 --> 00:03:21,553 If you went to the Whiskey, 49 00:03:21,554 --> 00:03:22,682 you knew everybody in the Whiskey. 50 00:03:22,683 --> 00:03:23,692 If you went to the Starwood, 51 00:03:23,693 --> 00:03:24,842 you knew everybody in the Starwood. 52 00:03:24,843 --> 00:03:26,592 If you went to the Zero after hours, 53 00:03:26,593 --> 00:03:28,276 you knew all those characters. 54 00:03:30,083 --> 00:03:33,713 - We were very diverse and there were just as many 55 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:37,733 people of color up in it as there were white kids. 56 00:03:37,734 --> 00:03:39,162 And so bands were multi-cultural 57 00:03:39,163 --> 00:03:42,249 as well as the scene was multi-cultural. 58 00:03:43,126 --> 00:03:44,955 - It didn't matter, nobody cared. 59 00:03:44,956 --> 00:03:49,368 Gay, straight, male, female, skinny, fat, 60 00:03:49,369 --> 00:03:53,607 sober, not sober, it didn't matter. 61 00:03:53,608 --> 00:03:55,749 It was about music and art. 62 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:59,017 (experimental music) 63 00:03:59,018 --> 00:04:03,068 - And there was a lot of really creative, unusual things 64 00:04:03,069 --> 00:04:04,513 that were going on. 65 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:09,809 Not all of it was bands. 66 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:11,703 There was people like Johanna Went. 67 00:04:15,285 --> 00:04:18,870 Johanna Went was a performance artist 68 00:04:18,871 --> 00:04:22,131 who made these amazing costumes 69 00:04:22,132 --> 00:04:23,921 and she would do these transformations 70 00:04:23,922 --> 00:04:26,252 and probably was most notorious 71 00:04:26,253 --> 00:04:29,242 for throwing a severed pig's head into the audience 72 00:04:29,243 --> 00:04:30,393 at the Whiskey A Go-Go. 73 00:04:36,144 --> 00:04:37,414 (punk rock music) 74 00:04:37,415 --> 00:04:40,166 (lyrics muffled) 75 00:04:41,964 --> 00:04:43,024 There was also The Screamers, 76 00:04:43,025 --> 00:04:46,026 who was one of the most celebrated LA punk bands. 77 00:04:46,027 --> 00:04:48,199 They never even put out a record. 78 00:04:49,426 --> 00:04:50,645 They had no guitars. 79 00:04:50,646 --> 00:04:53,826 It was just keyboards and Tomata du Plenty 80 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:58,828 had this really crazed stage presence that was captivating. 81 00:05:06,668 --> 00:05:08,718 There was one group that really stood out to me. 82 00:05:08,719 --> 00:05:10,622 I'm talking about the Minutemen. 83 00:05:17,380 --> 00:05:20,073 To me they were an LA band that was doing 84 00:05:20,074 --> 00:05:25,075 the really kind of interesting, experimental punk rock 85 00:05:25,542 --> 00:05:27,665 that I appreciated coming out of England. 86 00:05:28,632 --> 00:05:31,792 Bands like Wire that played really fast, concise, 87 00:05:31,793 --> 00:05:34,480 telegraphic songs and the Minutemen 88 00:05:34,481 --> 00:05:36,246 were even more out there. 89 00:05:38,991 --> 00:05:40,063 - [Reporter] It is the individual statement 90 00:05:40,064 --> 00:05:42,753 of a generation of youth expressing their own rebellion 91 00:05:42,754 --> 00:05:45,845 in their own way in terms that most outside their world 92 00:05:45,846 --> 00:05:46,805 don't understand. 93 00:05:46,806 --> 00:05:49,524 - We saw on the 11 o'clock news, 94 00:05:49,525 --> 00:05:52,335 like punk rock shows, slamdancing, 95 00:05:52,336 --> 00:05:55,135 and teenagers being hurt and sent to hospital. 96 00:05:55,136 --> 00:05:57,605 Do you know where your children are tonight? 97 00:05:57,606 --> 00:05:58,678 It was like. 98 00:05:58,679 --> 00:06:01,196 (clapping) 99 00:06:01,197 --> 00:06:03,596 - Punkers have been long at odds with police 100 00:06:03,597 --> 00:06:05,597 and confrontations are not new. 101 00:06:05,598 --> 00:06:07,827 It's our aim to let both sides tell their story 102 00:06:07,828 --> 00:06:11,207 and then let you, the viewer, decide for your own self. 103 00:06:11,208 --> 00:06:14,085 More than 1,000 fans paid $8 each to attend. 104 00:06:14,086 --> 00:06:16,586 Most have gotten inside. 105 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:20,429 150 others crowded the door, hoping to get inside. 106 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:23,530 The doors were closed and trouble began. 107 00:06:23,531 --> 00:06:25,680 Youth Brigade was on stage at the time. 108 00:06:25,681 --> 00:06:27,790 Next to them, our producer and cameraman 109 00:06:27,791 --> 00:06:30,157 when the police ordered the shutdown. 110 00:06:30,158 --> 00:06:32,461 - The thing with the LAPD was 111 00:06:32,462 --> 00:06:36,453 you had this really rotten man called Chief Daryl Gates. 112 00:06:36,454 --> 00:06:40,753 Ahh, he was like the Grand Wizard. 113 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:47,534 - And you know who's feeding and supporting the enemy? 114 00:06:49,427 --> 00:06:52,080 The casual drug user. 115 00:06:52,081 --> 00:06:54,405 - He was creepy and he was definitely racist 116 00:06:54,406 --> 00:06:56,556 and didn't like women and he just didn't like 117 00:06:56,557 --> 00:06:58,594 anybody of color at all. 118 00:06:58,595 --> 00:07:00,186 He didn't like young people. 119 00:07:00,187 --> 00:07:01,846 He didn't like young people having fun. 120 00:07:01,847 --> 00:07:03,943 The police would show up en masse 121 00:07:03,944 --> 00:07:08,157 and you didn't know why, what was going on. 122 00:07:08,158 --> 00:07:10,363 We're at a punk show and seeing the band 123 00:07:10,364 --> 00:07:12,138 and then there's a bunch of police 124 00:07:12,139 --> 00:07:13,557 coming in the door at the Whiskey. 125 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:15,615 Like, what's up with that? 126 00:07:15,616 --> 00:07:18,588 - Is the punk movement part of the Nazi movement? 127 00:07:18,589 --> 00:07:21,849 - No, it's the police, that's the Nazi movement. 128 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:23,291 - The police is the Nazi movement? 129 00:07:23,292 --> 00:07:24,231 - [Chuck] Yeah. 130 00:07:24,232 --> 00:07:26,380 - Well the effect of the news media was 131 00:07:26,381 --> 00:07:28,749 that the LAPD freaked out about punk rock, 132 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:31,270 like it was the second coming of the Black Panthers 133 00:07:31,271 --> 00:07:34,781 and they were just like, they were gonna squash that stuff. 134 00:07:34,782 --> 00:07:37,802 It wasn't gonna get a foothold in their town. 135 00:07:37,803 --> 00:07:38,911 - Sometimes they would come in 136 00:07:38,912 --> 00:07:40,531 and run everybody out of there. 137 00:07:40,532 --> 00:07:43,052 Like with their sticks and stuff. 138 00:07:43,053 --> 00:07:44,303 They just seemed like they were 139 00:07:44,304 --> 00:07:47,373 going through the newspaper and finding band names 140 00:07:47,374 --> 00:07:49,593 that sounded punk rock and trying to make sure they 141 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,313 didn't happen for some reason. 142 00:07:51,314 --> 00:07:54,385 - Police Chief Daryl Gates did not want us there. 143 00:07:54,386 --> 00:07:56,054 We would come out of the Anti Club, 144 00:07:56,055 --> 00:08:00,795 there would be motorcycle cops in riot gear. 145 00:08:00,796 --> 00:08:02,568 I remember my friends coming in from New York, 146 00:08:02,569 --> 00:08:05,006 bands coming in from New York and they couldn't believe 147 00:08:05,007 --> 00:08:08,125 how we didn't jaywalk in Hollywood. 148 00:08:08,126 --> 00:08:12,001 Because we were given tickets, we were thrown in jail. 149 00:08:15,858 --> 00:08:17,498 - I grew up here, I didn't know any better 150 00:08:17,499 --> 00:08:20,708 than living in a militarized police state. 151 00:08:20,709 --> 00:08:23,069 I didn't expect anything else, I wasn't enlightened 152 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:26,104 that you could live in a non police state. 153 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:29,800 So you just figured out how to skirt around it. 154 00:08:29,801 --> 00:08:34,801 - We did these little skits where we taunted the police. 155 00:08:36,357 --> 00:08:39,553 (radio static playing) 156 00:08:39,554 --> 00:08:40,388 - [Announcer] Attention all units, 157 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:42,387 we have a major disturbance at the Stardust Ballroom, 158 00:08:42,388 --> 00:08:44,293 5612 Sunset Boulevard. 159 00:08:44,294 --> 00:08:46,297 - [Announcer] Hey this is unit 47, we got it, 160 00:08:46,298 --> 00:08:47,780 10-four on that. 161 00:08:47,781 --> 00:08:50,097 Hey Frank, is this that Black Flag group again? 162 00:08:50,098 --> 00:08:52,473 - [Announcer] Uh, yeah Joe, 10-four, 163 00:08:52,474 --> 00:08:54,341 Chief Gates is in a real uproar. 164 00:08:54,342 --> 00:08:56,316 - [Announcer] What are we waiting for then? 165 00:08:56,317 --> 00:08:59,687 Let's go beat up some of them damn punk rockers. 166 00:08:59,688 --> 00:09:03,022 - So it was broadcast all over on KROQ. 167 00:09:06,587 --> 00:09:10,125 - Minutemen, Black Flag opening for The Ramones 168 00:09:10,126 --> 00:09:11,520 at the Hollywood Palladium. 169 00:09:13,737 --> 00:09:16,214 After that show, everyone was leaving 170 00:09:16,215 --> 00:09:18,558 and I just remember the police coming out 171 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,871 and just chasing after us. 172 00:09:23,287 --> 00:09:25,963 - It would've been peaceful if they hadn't done anything. 173 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,573 - The police showed no restraint. 174 00:09:30,574 --> 00:09:33,839 The police were used to beating heads. 175 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,101 - The cops always created the riot. 176 00:09:36,102 --> 00:09:38,120 They were definitely the instigators of it. 177 00:09:38,121 --> 00:09:39,610 I was there and I can tell you 178 00:09:39,611 --> 00:09:41,850 there's no way that anybody in the place 179 00:09:41,851 --> 00:09:44,212 did anything to provoke that level of 180 00:09:44,213 --> 00:09:47,096 tactical violence on children. 181 00:09:57,038 --> 00:09:58,324 - I went to see Throbbing Gristle 182 00:09:58,325 --> 00:10:00,484 at the Culver City Veterans Auditorium, 183 00:10:00,485 --> 00:10:03,094 which was a place that never had any kind 184 00:10:03,095 --> 00:10:05,478 of cool stuff going on, whatsoever. 185 00:10:06,429 --> 00:10:10,012 (experimental punk music) 186 00:10:14,347 --> 00:10:19,296 Their whole sonic assault really changed the way 187 00:10:19,297 --> 00:10:23,371 I thought about music and performance forever. 188 00:10:29,050 --> 00:10:31,598 Soon after that, I met the promoter of that show, 189 00:10:31,599 --> 00:10:33,226 Michael Sheppard, 190 00:10:33,227 --> 00:10:37,580 and it was then that the idea of putting on shows 191 00:10:37,581 --> 00:10:41,750 as a form of artistic expression really gelled in my brain. 192 00:10:41,751 --> 00:10:42,909 - So you want to say three then? 193 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:46,945 Alright, that sounds good, I'll put you down for three. 194 00:10:50,502 --> 00:10:53,332 - Back then, downtown LA was basically 195 00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:56,243 a giant wasteland of abandoned warehouses. 196 00:10:56,244 --> 00:10:59,184 But it was also a place with a lot of opportunity. 197 00:10:59,185 --> 00:11:01,493 There were a few artists living down here. 198 00:11:01,494 --> 00:11:02,864 The rent was cheap. 199 00:11:02,865 --> 00:11:04,774 And some friends and I moved into 200 00:11:04,775 --> 00:11:07,814 an abandoned warehouse called the Nate Starkman Building, 201 00:11:07,815 --> 00:11:09,865 when it was about 25 cents a square foot. 202 00:11:12,276 --> 00:11:16,853 - Downtown LA in the 80's, it was just a huge skid row. 203 00:11:16,854 --> 00:11:20,036 There was nothing but a bunch of winos 204 00:11:20,037 --> 00:11:21,546 hanging out on the sidewalk. 205 00:11:21,547 --> 00:11:24,857 And bars like the Hard Rock Cafe, Jack's, 206 00:11:24,858 --> 00:11:27,409 and the King Edward and all that, marvelous places. 207 00:11:37,401 --> 00:11:41,279 - I knew I didn't want to put on shows in clubs and bars. 208 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,300 I really wanted to find spaces 209 00:11:43,301 --> 00:11:45,990 like downtown warehouse spaces 210 00:11:45,991 --> 00:11:48,019 rehearsal studios by the LA River. 211 00:11:48,020 --> 00:11:51,551 I also thought that by finding these more remote spaces, 212 00:11:51,552 --> 00:11:54,176 I would stay under the radar of the LAPD. 213 00:11:55,723 --> 00:11:58,442 I wanted to have a name for this entity 214 00:11:58,443 --> 00:12:00,412 that would put on these shows. 215 00:12:00,413 --> 00:12:04,483 I hit upon Desolation Center because that's how I was 216 00:12:04,484 --> 00:12:07,118 feeling about my environment at that point in time. 217 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:14,935 Desolation Center will only run every other weekend. 218 00:12:14,936 --> 00:12:17,596 This gives us the ability to offer quality bands. 219 00:12:17,597 --> 00:12:20,056 We book bands on the basis of raw talent 220 00:12:20,057 --> 00:12:23,066 and/or musical integrity, not drawing power. 221 00:12:23,067 --> 00:12:25,547 Desolation Center is not a profit making venture. 222 00:12:25,548 --> 00:12:27,317 There will be no guest lists. 223 00:12:27,318 --> 00:12:30,367 Everyone but band members and Desolation Center volunteers 224 00:12:30,368 --> 00:12:31,407 must pay to get in. 225 00:12:31,408 --> 00:12:33,978 We do not solicit any press coverage 226 00:12:33,979 --> 00:12:35,838 for Desolation Center events. 227 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:38,069 We feel that local press coverage in music 228 00:12:38,070 --> 00:12:41,128 has become self serving and upholding of mediocrity. 229 00:12:41,129 --> 00:12:42,799 You'll never see Desolation Center 230 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,399 advertised in the LA Weekly. 231 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,460 The only thing worse than a cop is a fuck-up. 232 00:12:46,461 --> 00:12:48,607 If you have self-destructive tendencies, 233 00:12:48,608 --> 00:12:50,281 please vent them in Hollywood. 234 00:12:50,282 --> 00:12:51,970 Alcohol brings cops. 235 00:12:51,971 --> 00:12:53,796 We refuse to sell drinks to a captive audience 236 00:12:53,797 --> 00:12:55,561 at exorbitant prices. 237 00:12:55,562 --> 00:12:56,673 No dancing required. 238 00:12:56,674 --> 00:13:00,006 We would rather shut down than become a New Wave disco. 239 00:13:01,323 --> 00:13:04,400 When I started putting on my own shows as Desolation Center, 240 00:13:04,401 --> 00:13:08,165 I had cops show up at every event 241 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:11,834 and I started thinking, I need to apply 242 00:13:11,835 --> 00:13:13,943 some of the out-of-the-box punk rock thinking 243 00:13:13,944 --> 00:13:16,314 that people were using to put out their own records 244 00:13:16,315 --> 00:13:17,616 and start their own zines. 245 00:13:23,067 --> 00:13:25,565 I ended up doing a road trip with some friends 246 00:13:25,566 --> 00:13:28,587 through Mexico, through the Sonoran Desert 247 00:13:28,588 --> 00:13:31,316 and we were listening to people like Wire 248 00:13:31,317 --> 00:13:34,017 and Savage Republic and just looking out the window 249 00:13:34,018 --> 00:13:36,588 at the landscape and it sort of struck me, 250 00:13:36,589 --> 00:13:39,075 like wow, why couldn't we put 251 00:13:39,076 --> 00:13:41,123 this kind of really cool music 252 00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:43,462 into this desert environment. 253 00:13:45,239 --> 00:13:46,800 So the first person I talked to 254 00:13:46,801 --> 00:13:49,684 was Bruce Licher from Savage Republic. 255 00:13:53,131 --> 00:13:56,031 - When Stuart approached me about doing 256 00:13:56,032 --> 00:13:59,652 a desert show I said, oh I've got a location 257 00:13:59,653 --> 00:14:01,569 I think could be really appropriate for this. 258 00:14:01,570 --> 00:14:04,612 I had been doing some filmmaking at UCLA, 259 00:14:04,613 --> 00:14:06,464 some short, experimental films 260 00:14:07,964 --> 00:14:09,163 and I sort of had it in my mind 261 00:14:09,164 --> 00:14:11,983 to create a film that was like Lawrence of Arabia 262 00:14:11,984 --> 00:14:15,033 meets Eraserhead, so I took Stuart out there 263 00:14:15,034 --> 00:14:16,924 to see the location and we both agreed 264 00:14:16,925 --> 00:14:18,638 that it would work really well. 265 00:14:20,483 --> 00:14:23,114 It was beautiful, it was close enough to Los Angeles 266 00:14:23,115 --> 00:14:25,699 that we logistically could do it in a day. 267 00:14:27,115 --> 00:14:29,427 - Then the next person I talked to was D. Boon 268 00:14:29,428 --> 00:14:31,545 from the Minutemen, because I had already done shows, 269 00:14:31,546 --> 00:14:32,746 I was a huge Minutemen fan. 270 00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:35,480 I was like, do you guys wanna play a show in the desert 271 00:14:35,481 --> 00:14:37,011 with Savage Republic? 272 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:47,519 - We made up a flyer saying here's the show, 273 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,529 send us money if you wanna go to the show. 274 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:52,705 There really was no show, there was a concept for a show. 275 00:14:52,706 --> 00:14:57,141 And all of a sudden about 170, 166 people 276 00:14:57,142 --> 00:15:00,832 sent us $12, I think then we sat down and said, 277 00:15:00,833 --> 00:15:03,471 how do we do this? 278 00:15:03,472 --> 00:15:05,771 How do you have a show where there's no gate, 279 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:06,733 where there's no door. 280 00:15:06,734 --> 00:15:09,042 How do you get people there and get them to pay 281 00:15:09,043 --> 00:15:10,973 and even get them there? 282 00:15:10,974 --> 00:15:15,563 - I kind of thought, well, if we include the transportation, 283 00:15:15,564 --> 00:15:18,162 then we have a little bit more control of the situation. 284 00:15:18,163 --> 00:15:21,334 And at the same time, it also lended 285 00:15:21,335 --> 00:15:23,164 a little bit more of a mystery to it 286 00:15:23,165 --> 00:15:25,605 we actually didn't disclose the location. 287 00:15:25,606 --> 00:15:27,765 So people had to kind of trust us, 288 00:15:27,766 --> 00:15:29,992 just get on this bus in downtown LA 289 00:15:29,993 --> 00:15:32,375 and take it all the way out 290 00:15:32,376 --> 00:15:34,680 for a couple hours drive out to the desert. 291 00:15:42,278 --> 00:15:44,047 - One of the main things that I was interested 292 00:15:44,048 --> 00:15:48,078 in doing at that time was creating artwork with a function. 293 00:15:48,079 --> 00:15:51,531 Stuart asked me to make the tickets for Mojave Exodus. 294 00:15:51,532 --> 00:15:55,739 Having this ticket, this object, 295 00:15:55,741 --> 00:15:57,594 made it more real for people. 296 00:15:58,782 --> 00:16:00,080 It was always very prestigious 297 00:16:00,081 --> 00:16:04,390 if Bruce would agree to print up your shindig. 298 00:16:04,391 --> 00:16:06,531 And he was really good at a printing press. 299 00:16:06,532 --> 00:16:10,006 He's like Benjamin Franklin of our scene. 300 00:16:11,283 --> 00:16:14,822 - I remember feeling like I was in Willy Wonka, 301 00:16:14,823 --> 00:16:17,451 and I had gotten the golden ticket. 302 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,823 - It was morning when we got together, 303 00:16:24,824 --> 00:16:26,834 which was unusual because all of the shows 304 00:16:26,835 --> 00:16:28,175 were late at night, so seeing 305 00:16:28,176 --> 00:16:29,445 people in the light of day 306 00:16:29,446 --> 00:16:31,097 was a whole different experience. 307 00:16:32,696 --> 00:16:34,265 Seeing those school buses, 308 00:16:34,266 --> 00:16:36,055 I felt like we were going on a field trip, 309 00:16:36,056 --> 00:16:39,157 like it was a punk rock field trip 310 00:16:39,158 --> 00:16:42,686 and getting on the buses and kind of not really knowing 311 00:16:42,687 --> 00:16:43,988 what it was gonna be like. 312 00:16:46,694 --> 00:16:49,338 - We associate school buses with going to the museum 313 00:16:49,339 --> 00:16:52,321 with your class, but instead you're going out to the desert 314 00:16:52,322 --> 00:16:55,693 and you're gonna see this amazing music. 315 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:59,039 So the school buses were definitely part 316 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,125 of the whole Desolation Center concept from the beginning. 317 00:17:09,162 --> 00:17:11,322 - I was bus monitor, that was my job. 318 00:17:11,323 --> 00:17:12,800 I didn't know what to expect, 319 00:17:12,801 --> 00:17:16,542 but it became this big responsibility. 320 00:17:16,543 --> 00:17:18,923 The bus drivers had just come from church 321 00:17:18,924 --> 00:17:22,013 so I just announced, everyone, keep your drugs 322 00:17:22,014 --> 00:17:25,037 and your alcohol below the line of the window. 323 00:17:27,235 --> 00:17:29,594 - We all had to go to the bathroom 324 00:17:29,595 --> 00:17:33,419 by the time we hit the truck stop in Ontario. 325 00:17:36,416 --> 00:17:39,125 We all just wanted to go to the bathroom, 326 00:17:39,126 --> 00:17:41,316 but they locked the door on us 327 00:17:41,317 --> 00:17:46,318 and they said, they came on buses, they came on buses, 328 00:17:46,357 --> 00:17:47,701 oh my God! 329 00:17:48,908 --> 00:17:52,795 Dozens and dozens just pouring out of these buses, 330 00:17:52,796 --> 00:17:56,088 the green-haired, leather-jacketed, 331 00:17:56,089 --> 00:18:01,091 strange looking youth of LA out on their day trip. 332 00:18:04,664 --> 00:18:07,415 (ominous music) 333 00:18:22,943 --> 00:18:26,443 - We had a plan as to when people were going to show up, 334 00:18:26,444 --> 00:18:31,445 but I'm out there with my stuff and until I saw a couple 335 00:18:32,355 --> 00:18:35,174 of cars showing up and then these buses on the horizon, 336 00:18:35,175 --> 00:18:37,945 it was like, I was like, okay, 337 00:18:37,946 --> 00:18:39,663 so I guess this is gonna happen. 338 00:18:49,897 --> 00:18:53,054 - We got out of the bus and the lid was off, 339 00:18:53,055 --> 00:18:54,767 it was in the wide open. 340 00:18:54,768 --> 00:18:58,888 Being out in the desert was a really new experience for me. 341 00:18:58,889 --> 00:19:03,823 I was a kid from East LA, I was barely out of high school. 342 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,000 I remember being struck by just how dusty it was 343 00:19:10,001 --> 00:19:12,734 and truly desolate. 344 00:19:14,712 --> 00:19:17,091 That might've been my first time to the desert, actually, 345 00:19:17,092 --> 00:19:20,094 because my parents didn't really take us 346 00:19:20,095 --> 00:19:23,932 on family trips to the desert. 347 00:19:23,933 --> 00:19:26,062 - Not being that far away in Pedro, 348 00:19:26,063 --> 00:19:28,082 we didn't know a lot about the desert. 349 00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:31,204 Me and D. Boon, this was really new for us. 350 00:19:31,205 --> 00:19:32,555 Then we felt kind of stupid 351 00:19:33,582 --> 00:19:35,724 after for not knowing about it and it's California. 352 00:19:40,196 --> 00:19:45,197 - [D. Boon] Here we are in the godforsaken Mojave Desert. 353 00:19:45,214 --> 00:19:47,047 In a fuckin' riverbed. 354 00:19:49,338 --> 00:19:52,147 Let's get into some music. 355 00:19:52,148 --> 00:19:55,931 - So it was blowing really hard, 356 00:19:56,898 --> 00:19:59,278 so hard D. Boon, because he wore contacts, 357 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:02,248 had to wear sunglasses up really close 358 00:20:02,249 --> 00:20:04,725 and then a headband to try to seal it up 359 00:20:04,726 --> 00:20:07,673 and not let these little grains in, 360 00:20:07,674 --> 00:20:09,324 because it was driving him crazy. 361 00:20:11,951 --> 00:20:14,269 - The wind is blowing into the microphones 362 00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:17,350 and we put socks on them, 363 00:20:17,351 --> 00:20:19,321 I think literally socks. 364 00:20:19,322 --> 00:20:23,141 I had the buses pull up behind the band 365 00:20:23,142 --> 00:20:26,311 and form a windbreak behind the band 366 00:20:26,312 --> 00:20:29,413 and the sound system was going with the wind. 367 00:20:29,414 --> 00:20:31,343 - [Band Member] Are you ready Mister Soundman? 368 00:20:31,344 --> 00:20:33,235 - [Sound Man] Yes sir, band. 369 00:20:33,236 --> 00:20:35,314 - [Band Member] Okay, here we go. 370 00:20:35,315 --> 00:20:38,233 (guitar strumming) 371 00:20:45,526 --> 00:20:48,105 - It wasn't exactly how I had pictured it 372 00:20:48,106 --> 00:20:51,396 because I liked the idea of setting up 373 00:20:51,397 --> 00:20:54,106 and playing with this beautiful backdrop 374 00:20:54,107 --> 00:20:58,436 and here, the audience was looking at the band playing 375 00:20:58,437 --> 00:21:01,528 and the buses were like five feet away. 376 00:21:01,529 --> 00:21:03,058 But you could just turn around 377 00:21:03,059 --> 00:21:05,375 and look in any other direction. 378 00:21:10,967 --> 00:21:12,209 - Once Savage Republic started playing, 379 00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:16,583 the sound was almost bouncing off the desert floor 380 00:21:16,584 --> 00:21:19,640 and I just remember thinking this 381 00:21:19,641 --> 00:21:22,642 was one of the coolest things I'll ever do in my whole life. 382 00:21:24,608 --> 00:21:27,442 (guitar chugging) 383 00:21:43,776 --> 00:21:47,785 - The uniqueness of being in an open space 384 00:21:47,786 --> 00:21:52,786 out in the desert definitely added a magical element. 385 00:21:53,327 --> 00:21:55,975 I know that sounds corny, but it really felt like 386 00:21:55,976 --> 00:21:59,437 we were these young people creating some great 387 00:21:59,438 --> 00:22:03,351 alternative world for ourselves out in the desert. 388 00:22:14,859 --> 00:22:17,677 - There was no violence and no weirdness 389 00:22:17,678 --> 00:22:22,054 everybody was in this one cool group. 390 00:22:31,593 --> 00:22:34,056 - We were really focused and bonded. 391 00:22:35,052 --> 00:22:36,242 It meant a lot to us. 392 00:22:36,243 --> 00:22:38,182 Later on we talk about, what are the things 393 00:22:38,183 --> 00:22:40,099 that all these years together we've done 394 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,474 that's been important and and it really defined 395 00:22:42,475 --> 00:22:43,747 who we were as a couple. 396 00:22:45,685 --> 00:22:47,208 It was transformative. 397 00:22:51,556 --> 00:22:55,275 That desert environment with desert spirits 398 00:22:55,276 --> 00:22:59,726 is awesome for acts of freedom. 399 00:22:59,727 --> 00:23:04,297 - It was just this beautiful, mythical-almost experience. 400 00:23:04,298 --> 00:23:06,016 We didn't make any money on it. 401 00:23:06,017 --> 00:23:08,477 The bands got paid, we paid the sound guy 402 00:23:08,478 --> 00:23:09,878 who brought a generator out. 403 00:23:11,709 --> 00:23:14,939 - It seemed like yeah, we were made to be here. 404 00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:17,268 This gig makes total sense. 405 00:23:17,269 --> 00:23:19,759 And also the idea of the bus, having it all self-contained. 406 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,679 You bring it out, the PA, even though the generator 407 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,860 wasn't big enough, we were on the right track. 408 00:23:24,861 --> 00:23:25,821 But the whole thing where you 409 00:23:25,822 --> 00:23:28,404 could totally make it happen yourself. 410 00:23:30,101 --> 00:23:34,992 It was really beyond the theory, it was made real. 411 00:23:34,993 --> 00:23:37,263 - I really felt a sense of accomplishment, 412 00:23:37,264 --> 00:23:39,632 it was almost like we pulled off a raid 413 00:23:39,633 --> 00:23:40,504 or something like that. 414 00:23:40,505 --> 00:23:41,682 It all worked out. 415 00:23:41,683 --> 00:23:43,483 We got there, the bands played, 416 00:23:43,484 --> 00:23:45,223 everybody got back on the bus. 417 00:23:45,224 --> 00:23:47,650 The buses eventually made it back to LA 418 00:23:47,651 --> 00:23:52,214 and now I need to figure out what other interesting 419 00:23:52,215 --> 00:23:53,618 experiences are possible. 420 00:24:10,768 --> 00:24:12,657 After I did the desert show 421 00:24:12,658 --> 00:24:14,958 with Savage Republic and the Minutemen, 422 00:24:14,959 --> 00:24:17,978 I quit my job and I was backpacking in Europe 423 00:24:17,979 --> 00:24:20,702 and Berlin is where I ended up. 424 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:26,679 I had a few phone numbers, a few people to look up. 425 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,950 This is the notebook that I had in those days. 426 00:24:29,951 --> 00:24:32,571 It's how I found people's phone numbers 427 00:24:32,572 --> 00:24:34,341 or if I met them I wrote down numbers 428 00:24:34,342 --> 00:24:36,220 and followed up with them. 429 00:24:36,221 --> 00:24:40,862 I had different cities, different countries. 430 00:24:40,863 --> 00:24:42,501 - Berlin in the early 80's, 431 00:24:42,502 --> 00:24:45,277 did feel quite, you could use the term apocalyptic. 432 00:24:46,393 --> 00:24:48,156 It did feel like the end of civilization 433 00:24:48,157 --> 00:24:50,027 could not be that far away. 434 00:24:50,028 --> 00:24:54,217 The early 80's was a time when Cold War was still on. 435 00:24:54,218 --> 00:24:57,513 If there was a nuclear conflict, 436 00:24:57,514 --> 00:25:00,331 you'd be among the first to go, really. 437 00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:02,280 We were in West Berlin, was right within 438 00:25:02,281 --> 00:25:06,295 what was then the Communist part of the world. 439 00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:08,256 - You did have this island feeling 440 00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:13,034 of being surrounded by the East German DDR republic. 441 00:25:13,035 --> 00:25:16,426 You still had bullet holes and the remnants 442 00:25:16,427 --> 00:25:18,471 of World War II on the walls. 443 00:25:23,619 --> 00:25:25,383 There was so much history here, 444 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,609 even though it was a difficult place to be at that time, 445 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:31,313 I did like it here. 446 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,334 For me, this was an inspiring place to be. 447 00:25:36,181 --> 00:25:38,174 I would stay in squats, 448 00:25:40,592 --> 00:25:43,001 so I felt like even though the environments 449 00:25:43,002 --> 00:25:45,192 were very different, there was a lot of connections 450 00:25:45,193 --> 00:25:48,009 creatively between people doing similar types of music 451 00:25:48,010 --> 00:25:50,776 and art in Los Angeles and San Francisco. 452 00:25:53,055 --> 00:25:57,263 The people that were here had a similar sensibility. 453 00:25:57,264 --> 00:26:00,704 It was kind of like, let's not just stop with punk rock, 454 00:26:00,705 --> 00:26:03,789 how can we express these ideas in other ways? 455 00:26:04,681 --> 00:26:07,745 I sort of saw another approach to life 456 00:26:07,746 --> 00:26:10,672 that was less focused on a nine to five job 457 00:26:10,673 --> 00:26:12,956 and more about what you were doing with your life, 458 00:26:12,957 --> 00:26:15,671 so I kind of wanted to keep that going in some way. 459 00:26:17,357 --> 00:26:19,247 Before I came here in Los Angeles, 460 00:26:19,248 --> 00:26:22,607 I had a friend that wrote down Collapsing New Buildings, 461 00:26:22,608 --> 00:26:24,778 go see them. 462 00:26:24,779 --> 00:26:26,723 And then eventually they did play at this club 463 00:26:26,724 --> 00:26:29,879 and it just lived up to everything I had heard 464 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,318 they were just so intense and really different. 465 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,153 (loud punk music) 466 00:26:37,473 --> 00:26:40,473 (chainsaw grinding) 467 00:26:51,723 --> 00:26:53,742 When I saw them I was kind of in awe 468 00:26:53,743 --> 00:26:55,583 of what I'd just seen. 469 00:26:55,584 --> 00:26:58,403 I liked that they were playing metal percussion 470 00:26:58,404 --> 00:27:00,388 and not conventional instruments. 471 00:27:01,804 --> 00:27:04,244 And I thought, I don't know what this would be like 472 00:27:04,245 --> 00:27:06,446 if we took it into the middle of the desert. 473 00:27:11,731 --> 00:27:13,125 And so I just threw it out there, 474 00:27:13,126 --> 00:27:15,914 like hey, maybe this could happen. 475 00:27:15,915 --> 00:27:18,164 (shouting) 476 00:27:28,977 --> 00:27:31,938 Einstürzende Neubauten were in New York 477 00:27:31,939 --> 00:27:33,527 and one of them called me up and said 478 00:27:33,528 --> 00:27:36,830 we're gonna be in Los Angeles in two weeks, 479 00:27:36,831 --> 00:27:38,379 can you do a desert show? 480 00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:42,605 So that was really exciting, a big challenge, 481 00:27:42,606 --> 00:27:45,951 and at the same time, really scary, 482 00:27:45,952 --> 00:27:47,680 because I really didn't know 483 00:27:47,681 --> 00:27:49,480 if I could pull it together that fast 484 00:27:49,481 --> 00:27:52,045 with a bigger band from out of town. 485 00:27:54,443 --> 00:27:56,583 Bruce from Savage Republic, 486 00:27:56,584 --> 00:27:59,183 he and I decided we were gonna scout a new location. 487 00:28:00,314 --> 00:28:03,417 And this was not the most really well thought out process, 488 00:28:08,506 --> 00:28:12,615 but there's a small town way east even of Palm Springs 489 00:28:12,616 --> 00:28:14,905 out in the desert called Mecca. 490 00:28:14,906 --> 00:28:17,209 So we thought, oh it's Mecca, that's so cool. 491 00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:19,325 It's in the middle of the desert and it's Mecca, 492 00:28:19,326 --> 00:28:20,159 we'll go there. 493 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,066 So we drove out there and then we got to a point 494 00:28:23,067 --> 00:28:26,087 where there was a closed road sign 495 00:28:26,088 --> 00:28:27,887 and it went into this canyon. 496 00:28:27,888 --> 00:28:30,597 We thought, well, hey, road's closed, nobody's gonna 497 00:28:30,598 --> 00:28:33,092 come interrupt this show, this'll be great. 498 00:28:35,890 --> 00:28:37,519 An inspiration for the whole idea 499 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,428 of putting on these concerts in the desert 500 00:28:39,429 --> 00:28:42,060 was a Werner Herzog film that I saw at the time 501 00:28:42,061 --> 00:28:42,894 called Fitzcarraldo. 502 00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:44,950 - [Narrator] Fitzcarraldo. 503 00:28:44,951 --> 00:28:48,730 It was a whole epic thing about the Klaus Kinski character 504 00:28:48,731 --> 00:28:51,541 bringing this steamboat through the Amazon, 505 00:28:51,542 --> 00:28:53,291 but the whole idea was he wanted to build 506 00:28:53,292 --> 00:28:54,695 an opera in the jungle. 507 00:28:55,923 --> 00:28:57,248 And by the end of the film, 508 00:28:57,249 --> 00:28:59,757 everything has gone wrong and all he has left is 509 00:28:59,758 --> 00:29:03,943 an opera singer on a boat floating down the Amazon, 510 00:29:03,944 --> 00:29:05,613 but he was thrilled. 511 00:29:05,614 --> 00:29:08,493 He's like, that's my opera in the jungle. 512 00:29:08,494 --> 00:29:11,024 So that was kind of in my mind the whole time, 513 00:29:11,025 --> 00:29:13,684 the idea of this opera in the jungle 514 00:29:13,685 --> 00:29:17,420 but instead it was like industrial music in the desert. 515 00:29:21,346 --> 00:29:23,935 The people from Einstürzende Neubauten reached out 516 00:29:23,936 --> 00:29:26,863 to other people to participate in the show. 517 00:29:26,864 --> 00:29:28,836 And one of the people that they invited 518 00:29:28,837 --> 00:29:32,122 was Mark Pauline from Survival Research Laboratories. 519 00:29:32,123 --> 00:29:36,908 - [Reporter] Work of 30 year old, San Francisco artist 520 00:29:36,909 --> 00:29:41,008 Mark Pauline, reflects the turmoil of the city. 521 00:29:41,009 --> 00:29:43,849 - Mark Pauline invented this whole genre. 522 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:48,150 He not only made these huge, warlike machines 523 00:29:48,151 --> 00:29:50,499 that are also poetic. 524 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,870 He found these sketchy environments 525 00:29:52,871 --> 00:29:56,101 under freeways to do these shows 526 00:29:56,102 --> 00:29:59,605 and then he dared to have the loudest shows on earth. 527 00:30:02,019 --> 00:30:03,616 - [Reporter] In one experiment with rocket fuel, 528 00:30:03,617 --> 00:30:06,932 Mark Pauline blew off all but one of the fingers 529 00:30:06,933 --> 00:30:08,187 of his own right hand. 530 00:30:11,456 --> 00:30:13,873 (exploding) 531 00:30:17,706 --> 00:30:20,394 - Everything that I found really exciting and challenging 532 00:30:20,395 --> 00:30:22,325 in art and music at the time, 533 00:30:22,326 --> 00:30:24,425 All being here in this remote spot. 534 00:30:24,426 --> 00:30:27,806 It just seemed like, how could it not be awesome? 535 00:30:27,807 --> 00:30:30,457 but at the same time, how many things could go wrong? 536 00:30:50,439 --> 00:30:53,260 - Just want to get away from LA and see Einsturzende again. 537 00:30:53,261 --> 00:30:54,490 I saw them last night. 538 00:30:54,491 --> 00:30:55,324 - [Interviewer] How was the show? 539 00:30:55,325 --> 00:30:57,451 - Oh they almost burned down Perkins Palace. 540 00:30:57,452 --> 00:30:58,621 - [Interviewer] That's good, 541 00:30:58,622 --> 00:30:59,472 the fire marshal going a little nuts. 542 00:30:59,473 --> 00:31:01,570 - Yeah well they lit the fire on stage with gasoline, 543 00:31:01,571 --> 00:31:04,727 ran around on stage with gas and set it on fire. 544 00:31:04,728 --> 00:31:06,049 It was great. 545 00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:07,622 - [Interviewer] You know Mark Pauline has been 546 00:31:07,623 --> 00:31:09,642 added to the show and Boyd Rice has been added to the show. 547 00:31:09,643 --> 00:31:10,476 - That's why we're going. 548 00:31:10,477 --> 00:31:12,535 - Excellent, we're scared. 549 00:31:12,536 --> 00:31:14,863 - [Man] I'm extremely scared. 550 00:31:14,864 --> 00:31:16,674 - [Man] There's no medical service out there 551 00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:18,556 for a couple miles. - [Man] Yeah. 552 00:31:18,557 --> 00:31:20,594 - [Man] Rumor has it he's going to blow up hills. 553 00:31:20,595 --> 00:31:22,544 - Part of the fun of this event to me 554 00:31:22,545 --> 00:31:24,204 was really not knowing where we were going 555 00:31:24,206 --> 00:31:26,800 it was part of the whole secret nature of it. 556 00:31:29,324 --> 00:31:31,242 - And there was no talk of like sunscreen 557 00:31:31,243 --> 00:31:34,377 or bringing water or bringing shade. 558 00:31:34,378 --> 00:31:37,545 Probably most people had leather jackets and their Docs. 559 00:31:37,546 --> 00:31:41,087 And here we all are getting on the bus 560 00:31:41,088 --> 00:31:43,060 to go to the desert without any kind of like, oh 561 00:31:43,061 --> 00:31:46,527 am I going to be comfortable or am I gonna be safe? 562 00:31:46,528 --> 00:31:49,057 - [Man] Nobody's bringing any drugs, are they? 563 00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:55,459 These were full-sized yellow school buses 564 00:31:55,460 --> 00:32:00,461 with the green seats so this was a totally bizarre vibe. 565 00:32:02,797 --> 00:32:05,382 (upbeat music) 566 00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:48,244 - We're vegetarian so we can only eat fries. 567 00:32:48,245 --> 00:32:49,078 - One, two three. 568 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:50,509 - We hate McDonald's. - We hate McDonald's. 569 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:51,344 - Me too. 570 00:33:02,871 --> 00:33:04,764 - As the bus kept going and going and going, 571 00:33:04,765 --> 00:33:06,861 it just seemed to get more and more exciting 572 00:33:06,862 --> 00:33:08,452 because we didn't know where we were going 573 00:33:08,453 --> 00:33:10,071 and we didn't know what we were gonna face 574 00:33:10,072 --> 00:33:11,281 once we got there. 575 00:33:11,282 --> 00:33:12,941 I mean, we knew bands were gonna play 576 00:33:12,942 --> 00:33:15,193 but we didn't know how bands were gonna play. 577 00:33:19,804 --> 00:33:21,314 - [Interviewer] When you were leaving Los Angeles 578 00:33:21,315 --> 00:33:25,106 and going out to this location, do you have a-- 579 00:33:25,107 --> 00:33:27,338 - I don't even know how I got there. 580 00:33:37,352 --> 00:33:39,403 - Well the buses got to a dirt road 581 00:33:39,404 --> 00:33:41,515 and then the journey continues. 582 00:33:41,516 --> 00:33:43,306 There was that weird sinking feeling 583 00:33:43,307 --> 00:33:47,398 where you're like, we're really isolated here. 584 00:33:47,399 --> 00:33:50,527 (chattering) 585 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:53,366 - We just showed up at this miraculous place. 586 00:33:53,367 --> 00:33:57,178 People on that bus were carrying firearms 587 00:33:57,179 --> 00:33:59,108 and all kinds of things. 588 00:33:59,109 --> 00:34:01,503 We were free to do whatever we wanted. 589 00:34:27,414 --> 00:34:30,485 - I thought it was a great thing to have it 590 00:34:30,486 --> 00:34:34,479 out in nature with the desert as the backdrop. 591 00:34:36,306 --> 00:34:39,540 It was like you were in your own little universe. 592 00:34:44,606 --> 00:34:47,516 - At first I was like, I don't wanna go out to the desert, 593 00:34:47,517 --> 00:34:48,557 I don't want sun. 594 00:34:48,558 --> 00:34:51,016 I want to go to dark clubs and stuff like that. 595 00:34:51,017 --> 00:34:52,887 It was like, oh God. 596 00:34:52,888 --> 00:34:54,548 But once I got out there I was like, 597 00:34:54,549 --> 00:34:59,092 wow, there's rocks and shit, I can do crazy things! 598 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,478 - In a spot like this, you can reach 599 00:35:04,479 --> 00:35:08,050 a much higher level of concentration 600 00:35:08,051 --> 00:35:10,939 and a much higher level of communication 601 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:14,850 between the performer and the audience 602 00:35:14,851 --> 00:35:17,945 because there is less distractions. 603 00:35:20,913 --> 00:35:23,852 - We're not gonna be standing on a stage 604 00:35:23,853 --> 00:35:25,282 performing for people. 605 00:35:25,283 --> 00:35:27,293 The whole environment is gonna be our stage 606 00:35:27,294 --> 00:35:29,614 and we're gonna be using that. 607 00:35:29,615 --> 00:35:32,198 (horn blowing) 608 00:35:33,925 --> 00:35:38,926 - We stepped off the bus and there was this stone ridge, 609 00:35:41,916 --> 00:35:46,575 silhouetted against it were percussionists banging away. 610 00:35:46,576 --> 00:35:49,494 (percussion music) 611 00:35:51,957 --> 00:35:54,691 And it was like this strange welcoming committee. 612 00:35:57,385 --> 00:36:01,287 The sound was ringing through the desert. 613 00:36:01,288 --> 00:36:04,394 Wait, did you guys have permits for that? 614 00:36:04,395 --> 00:36:05,396 - [Interviewer] No. 615 00:36:05,397 --> 00:36:07,731 (laughing) 616 00:36:14,934 --> 00:36:16,620 - I just thought it would be really interesting 617 00:36:16,621 --> 00:36:19,612 to do some site specific performance 618 00:36:19,613 --> 00:36:23,855 to create something that was inspired by where we were. 619 00:36:26,788 --> 00:36:29,062 - And we have had a bit of concern about other 620 00:36:29,063 --> 00:36:32,102 performers who are going to be doing things 621 00:36:32,103 --> 00:36:34,223 that may possibly be destructive. 622 00:36:34,224 --> 00:36:35,995 - [Interviewer] Mark Pauline will be performing, 623 00:36:35,996 --> 00:36:37,371 I understand, is that true? 624 00:36:37,372 --> 00:36:38,395 (explosion) 625 00:36:38,396 --> 00:36:39,894 - [Interviewer] Now his performance is thoroughly 626 00:36:39,895 --> 00:36:41,313 destructive in nature. 627 00:36:46,606 --> 00:36:48,805 - I do remember at that time I was working on 628 00:36:48,806 --> 00:36:53,646 my radio controlled tank and I desperately wanted 629 00:36:53,647 --> 00:36:57,067 to bring it along with us and we loaded it 630 00:36:57,068 --> 00:36:58,861 into an Oldsmobile 98. 631 00:36:58,862 --> 00:37:02,601 Mark, Eric, myself and Monte Cazazza 632 00:37:02,602 --> 00:37:05,868 in the Oldsmobile, a tank in the trunk. 633 00:37:05,869 --> 00:37:08,929 We left in the middle of the night at some point. 634 00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:10,019 Going up onto the freeway, 635 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,528 the first sort of bump that we hit, 636 00:37:12,529 --> 00:37:15,352 the car bottomed out and everybody looked at me 637 00:37:15,353 --> 00:37:19,410 like, Matt, we gotta take the tank out of the car. 638 00:37:19,411 --> 00:37:21,328 We're not gonna make it. 639 00:37:21,329 --> 00:37:23,720 We had Werner's 10 barrel 12 gauge shotgun. 640 00:37:23,721 --> 00:37:28,274 We had a lot of materials to make pyrotechnic devices with, 641 00:37:28,275 --> 00:37:30,837 you know, basically bombs. 642 00:37:32,303 --> 00:37:33,652 So we got down there, we just started 643 00:37:33,653 --> 00:37:35,756 looking around to see what we could do. 644 00:37:37,327 --> 00:37:40,114 - When we came down there and we got out to the desert 645 00:37:40,115 --> 00:37:42,303 I was like, well, look at all this fucking garbage 646 00:37:42,304 --> 00:37:43,206 people bring out here. 647 00:37:43,207 --> 00:37:45,874 I said we'll make totem poles with all the garbage 648 00:37:45,875 --> 00:37:48,963 and all the refrigerators, put bombs in all those, 649 00:37:48,964 --> 00:37:52,515 Werner can shoot at the refrigerators and shit. 650 00:37:52,516 --> 00:37:54,846 We'll set bombs up in the mountains. 651 00:37:54,847 --> 00:37:56,797 We'll try to knock a couple rocks down. 652 00:38:01,478 --> 00:38:02,726 - [Interviewer] The people in Djemaa-El-Fina 653 00:38:02,727 --> 00:38:05,788 were hoping that the nature, the environment here 654 00:38:05,789 --> 00:38:08,307 would be left as it was and this is kind of opposed 655 00:38:08,308 --> 00:38:09,968 to that idea, what do you think about that? 656 00:38:09,969 --> 00:38:12,169 - Well first thought that comes to my mind 657 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:14,622 is that nature, we're part of nature, 658 00:38:14,623 --> 00:38:16,075 and also that nature itself is. 659 00:38:16,076 --> 00:38:18,339 (explosion) 660 00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:19,524 Well, my blood. 661 00:38:20,635 --> 00:38:23,085 - The first bomb we set off 662 00:38:23,086 --> 00:38:25,491 to just let people know the show was starting 663 00:38:25,492 --> 00:38:30,475 was in this cave about 100 yards away from where we were. 664 00:38:36,113 --> 00:38:38,660 And I had put a metal plate over it and it blew up 665 00:38:38,661 --> 00:38:41,293 and I was like damn, that was a big explosion 666 00:38:41,294 --> 00:38:43,810 because it kind of funneled the shockwave out 667 00:38:43,811 --> 00:38:45,723 and I figured that would get everyone's attention. 668 00:38:45,724 --> 00:38:49,545 Well, it also folded this three foot by three foot 669 00:38:49,546 --> 00:38:54,545 sheet of steel in half and sent it flying over the audience 670 00:38:54,691 --> 00:38:58,806 at about 200 miles an hour, spinning like a frisbee 671 00:38:58,807 --> 00:39:01,217 about 10 feet up off the ground. 672 00:39:01,218 --> 00:39:04,306 I looked up and just saw it overhead 673 00:39:04,307 --> 00:39:08,367 and I was like, ugh, okay. 674 00:39:08,368 --> 00:39:11,696 - Something blew up here and then just projectile, 675 00:39:11,697 --> 00:39:16,608 over the crowd and everyone got a bit panicky and terrified. 676 00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:18,799 Some people were just super happy 677 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,780 because it was like, yes, total anarchy, 678 00:39:21,781 --> 00:39:24,369 like create anarchy, make it happen now. 679 00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:26,850 - And then I just asked is everybody okay 680 00:39:26,851 --> 00:39:28,700 and someone said it landed past where everybody was 681 00:39:28,701 --> 00:39:31,332 it was like okay, let's do this show 682 00:39:31,333 --> 00:39:32,492 because we were gonna stop the show 683 00:39:32,493 --> 00:39:35,401 if somebody got cut in half, obviously. 684 00:39:35,402 --> 00:39:38,291 - What he did in the desert was incredible. 685 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:41,428 That was mind blowing, fantastic. 686 00:39:41,429 --> 00:39:44,928 In Europe, you don't really have the access 687 00:39:44,929 --> 00:39:49,930 to explosives and weapons in the same way Americans do. 688 00:39:50,408 --> 00:39:52,825 (explosions) 689 00:39:56,115 --> 00:39:58,349 - You did not have permits for those spaces 690 00:39:58,350 --> 00:40:03,043 and that was, I think, the most empowering thing about it 691 00:40:03,044 --> 00:40:04,700 and the boldest thing. 692 00:40:05,867 --> 00:40:07,706 - [Announcer] Okay, ladies and gentlemen, 693 00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:10,067 I'm going to make a real important announcement right now 694 00:40:10,068 --> 00:40:14,867 so I'd like everybody's undivided attention. 695 00:40:14,868 --> 00:40:15,841 Just for a moment. 696 00:40:17,309 --> 00:40:21,130 They're gonna blow that side of the mountain away. 697 00:40:22,034 --> 00:40:25,946 - When Mark Pauline was trying to blow up the boulder, 698 00:40:25,947 --> 00:40:28,560 there were some people that were really upset about that 699 00:40:28,561 --> 00:40:30,570 because it was like he's blowing up the desert. 700 00:40:30,571 --> 00:40:34,550 - I was like, oh, you shouldn't be hurting the mountain. 701 00:40:34,551 --> 00:40:36,401 I did feel that way. 702 00:40:36,402 --> 00:40:38,470 But there was another part of me that was like 703 00:40:38,471 --> 00:40:41,026 oh, this is kind of great. 704 00:40:43,167 --> 00:40:44,376 (explosion) 705 00:40:44,377 --> 00:40:46,710 (cheering) 706 00:40:49,772 --> 00:40:53,887 - So it just went bang, but then nothing moved. 707 00:40:54,875 --> 00:40:55,964 - The desert won anyway, 708 00:40:55,965 --> 00:40:57,648 he was never able to blow up the boulder. 709 00:40:57,649 --> 00:41:00,005 So nature beat him in the long run. 710 00:41:00,006 --> 00:41:01,535 - I was kind of hoping to see the hillside 711 00:41:01,536 --> 00:41:03,587 come down on everybody. 712 00:41:03,588 --> 00:41:04,949 But that's my disappointment. 713 00:41:06,326 --> 00:41:08,866 - People in their 20's are sociopaths. 714 00:41:08,867 --> 00:41:10,257 All of them. 715 00:41:10,258 --> 00:41:12,170 If someone did that now, you'd just be on Facebook going, 716 00:41:12,171 --> 00:41:13,996 what a bunch of fucking assholes, 717 00:41:13,997 --> 00:41:15,747 who are these douchebag hipsters, 718 00:41:15,748 --> 00:41:17,197 they have no fucking respect! 719 00:41:17,198 --> 00:41:19,586 And like, yeah, we did that. 720 00:41:19,587 --> 00:41:20,488 We're just like, yeah! 721 00:41:22,066 --> 00:41:22,900 (exploding) 722 00:41:22,901 --> 00:41:25,038 - I immediately understood why they are called 723 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,159 Survival Research Laboratories 724 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,540 and how much the element of danger 725 00:41:29,541 --> 00:41:34,059 and the element of feeling alive are actually connected. 726 00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:38,275 That's an existential thing you learned in West Berlin. 727 00:41:44,352 --> 00:41:47,492 From the times of radical demonstrations 728 00:41:47,493 --> 00:41:49,973 and radical politics, you noticed a connection 729 00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:54,974 between danger and the feeling of being alive. 730 00:41:55,294 --> 00:41:56,898 I understood that immediately. 731 00:41:58,105 --> 00:41:59,025 - [Interviewer] Boyd Rice, 732 00:41:59,026 --> 00:42:00,314 getting ready to perform here real soon, 733 00:42:00,315 --> 00:42:01,784 do you think you're gonna get anything 734 00:42:01,785 --> 00:42:03,036 off the environment here? 735 00:42:04,028 --> 00:42:04,902 - I don't know. 736 00:42:04,903 --> 00:42:07,025 I'm thinking it might be some place it would reflect 737 00:42:07,026 --> 00:42:09,093 a lot of sound but I don't know if it will or not. 738 00:42:09,094 --> 00:42:13,136 - Boyd Rice was one of the most original people 739 00:42:13,137 --> 00:42:14,920 I'd ever met in my life. 740 00:42:15,977 --> 00:42:18,697 Boyd was kind of a wildcard. 741 00:42:18,698 --> 00:42:21,678 Very spontaneous, I don't think he was very 742 00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:23,982 what I would call overcalculating. 743 00:42:25,369 --> 00:42:28,778 - Boyd asked me if would be his assistant 744 00:42:28,779 --> 00:42:33,781 in this fakir-like performance that he was planning to do. 745 00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:37,760 - For a long time I'd thought of doing this thing, 746 00:42:37,761 --> 00:42:39,799 like this old Sufi trick where they have 747 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,106 like a cinder block on your stomach 748 00:42:44,107 --> 00:42:47,795 and somebody smashes it with a sledgehammer. 749 00:42:50,792 --> 00:42:53,503 And I thought, it would be good to open a show that way, 750 00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:56,872 and have somebody smash this thing on my stomach 751 00:42:56,873 --> 00:42:59,717 and then put all the sound over the rhythm. 752 00:43:07,378 --> 00:43:08,474 - There was such a weird sound, 753 00:43:08,475 --> 00:43:09,875 we were like, what is that noise? 754 00:43:09,876 --> 00:43:13,570 and it was like, look, there's mics on the cinder blocks. 755 00:43:23,098 --> 00:43:26,787 - And of course, the eye contact that we had, 756 00:43:26,788 --> 00:43:31,239 because he would signal to me without saying anything, 757 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,429 whether he thought I could hit a little harder 758 00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:37,519 or whether I had reached the intensity 759 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,144 that he can deal with. 760 00:43:42,492 --> 00:43:46,131 - If you totally relax, the cinder block absorbs 761 00:43:46,132 --> 00:43:51,132 most of the impact and you aren't hurt. 762 00:43:53,273 --> 00:43:57,502 - The sun was just going down behind the mountian rocks 763 00:43:57,503 --> 00:43:59,604 and I remember they started the generator. 764 00:44:01,014 --> 00:44:05,727 The incredible noise from Neubauten at that point just hit. 765 00:44:08,952 --> 00:44:11,615 And I was lying in the dirt, like front row, 766 00:44:11,616 --> 00:44:13,811 lying on my stomach in the dirt. 767 00:44:13,812 --> 00:44:16,644 (metal grinding) 768 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,119 - They were giving a pretty hard time 769 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,718 to our Dad's power tools. 770 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,370 They borrowed a chainsaw and a circular saw, 771 00:44:44,371 --> 00:44:47,010 which was fine, I just said don't ruin them, 772 00:44:47,011 --> 00:44:48,361 and they ruined them. 773 00:44:54,893 --> 00:44:58,143 - I'm in construction, I've always done that type of work, 774 00:44:58,144 --> 00:45:01,452 pouring concrete, banging this together 775 00:45:01,453 --> 00:45:06,133 and breaking rocks, whatever, and that stuff really moved me 776 00:45:06,134 --> 00:45:09,634 because it was solid steel grinding, 777 00:45:09,635 --> 00:45:14,635 just real crude shit that really viscerally got you inside. 778 00:45:14,886 --> 00:45:16,104 It was riveting. 779 00:45:16,105 --> 00:45:18,419 How can people say that it's not music? 780 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,133 (grinding) 781 00:45:31,958 --> 00:45:34,808 - I had my set of sticks I would play with 782 00:45:34,809 --> 00:45:36,529 but that got all lost in the sand. 783 00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:40,348 The only possibility for me to make music 784 00:45:40,349 --> 00:45:43,949 or make noise with rocks that we found in the sand 785 00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:45,544 and the metal plate. 786 00:45:52,374 --> 00:45:55,592 You really have to react to what the stones are doing 787 00:45:55,593 --> 00:45:59,966 they fight back and that's a very organic thing. 788 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:14,604 - Blixa almost seemed like a shaman, you know what I mean, 789 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,593 and there was that feeling of shared experience 790 00:46:16,594 --> 00:46:19,824 and there was that feeling of almost a trance-like state 791 00:46:19,825 --> 00:46:21,026 that you could get into. 792 00:46:44,237 --> 00:46:47,819 - And I just remember Blixa, just staring at me 793 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:51,610 and shattering these feelings of my Dad or whatever 794 00:46:51,611 --> 00:46:53,729 that came bubbling up. 795 00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:58,205 I'd never been affected like that at a show. 796 00:47:01,692 --> 00:47:05,602 - The fact that people are willing to put this energy 797 00:47:05,603 --> 00:47:10,206 into witnessing what you are doing there 798 00:47:10,207 --> 00:47:15,207 is actually creating a possible environment of reflection. 799 00:47:17,925 --> 00:47:20,948 These people think they see something 800 00:47:20,949 --> 00:47:24,709 but what they see or what they hear is themselves. 801 00:47:36,308 --> 00:47:38,929 - I had been estranged from my parents. 802 00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:42,083 They thought that I had lost my mind or something 803 00:47:42,084 --> 00:47:45,012 so after this Neubauten show I sat down and wrote a letter. 804 00:47:45,013 --> 00:47:49,008 10 pages of the entire experience 805 00:47:49,009 --> 00:47:52,709 and said I'm not the same child that left home. 806 00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:55,980 And this why, and I hope you understand this, 807 00:47:55,981 --> 00:47:58,140 sealed it up and sent it to my mother. 808 00:47:58,141 --> 00:48:00,471 She was just amazed 809 00:48:00,472 --> 00:48:03,297 and she says, that's an incredible story, 810 00:48:03,298 --> 00:48:05,246 that really happened? 811 00:48:06,313 --> 00:48:08,462 I kind of understand now why you love this. 812 00:48:12,204 --> 00:48:13,839 - It was a religious experience. 813 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,954 From someone who rejects all religion, 814 00:48:16,955 --> 00:48:18,527 it was a religious experience. 815 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,268 - After doing two desert shows, 816 00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:53,248 it started to feel a little bit repetitive. 817 00:48:53,249 --> 00:48:54,939 I felt like I needed to something else 818 00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:57,190 to take the Desolation Center concept 819 00:48:57,191 --> 00:49:00,199 and put this music into another environment. 820 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,710 So I started thinking about, what's the opposite of desert? 821 00:49:03,711 --> 00:49:04,544 Water. 822 00:49:11,633 --> 00:49:14,322 So that lead me to think about the Minutemen 823 00:49:14,323 --> 00:49:16,493 because I had already done shows with the Minutemen. 824 00:49:16,494 --> 00:49:18,252 We were friends and I knew that they were 825 00:49:18,253 --> 00:49:21,693 from here in San Pedro and I used to come down 826 00:49:21,694 --> 00:49:23,324 here for backyard parties 827 00:49:23,325 --> 00:49:26,284 where the Minutemen would be playing and on the way back 828 00:49:26,285 --> 00:49:29,914 home up the 110 freeway I would see the cranes and 829 00:49:29,915 --> 00:49:33,065 harbor all lit up at night and it just fascinated me. 830 00:49:33,066 --> 00:49:35,356 I was really interested in this whole area 831 00:49:35,357 --> 00:49:38,065 that was such a big part of Southern California, 832 00:49:38,066 --> 00:49:41,486 but not the cliche of the beach or Hollywood. 833 00:49:41,487 --> 00:49:44,181 I thought, how cool would it be to do a show here? 834 00:49:47,299 --> 00:49:49,268 - First off, just having a Pedro gig, 835 00:49:49,269 --> 00:49:51,738 we were way into it because it was very difficult 836 00:49:51,739 --> 00:49:54,233 in those days for us to play our own town. 837 00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:58,679 We were stopped many times, I can't even tell you 838 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,359 how few gigs we had where we played all the way. 839 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,024 I mean there were some keggers in backyards. 840 00:50:06,958 --> 00:50:10,424 It was really tough for us to play our own town. 841 00:50:11,597 --> 00:50:14,196 There was a lot of friction with people 842 00:50:14,197 --> 00:50:19,196 over these assumptions about what all this stuff was about. 843 00:50:20,593 --> 00:50:24,203 Funny names, funny clothes, funny songs, funny music. 844 00:50:24,204 --> 00:50:26,127 People really took it as threats. 845 00:50:28,095 --> 00:50:30,334 - The Minutemen were a San Pedro band. 846 00:50:30,335 --> 00:50:32,274 They were not an LA punk rock band. 847 00:50:32,275 --> 00:50:34,255 They identified themselves with that city. 848 00:50:34,256 --> 00:50:37,186 San Pedro is a working class town, 849 00:50:37,187 --> 00:50:38,900 these were a bunch of totally down home, 850 00:50:38,901 --> 00:50:43,303 for real, unmannered guys. 851 00:50:43,304 --> 00:50:46,056 (guitar soloing) 852 00:50:49,297 --> 00:50:51,137 - This was the Catalina terminal. 853 00:50:51,138 --> 00:50:54,442 Where these boats are now, it's much smaller. 854 00:50:55,439 --> 00:50:56,778 Right there, that's Princess Cruises. 855 00:50:56,779 --> 00:50:57,909 That's one of their boats in fact. 856 00:50:57,910 --> 00:51:00,489 That's where the Love Boat did their bullshit. 857 00:51:00,490 --> 00:51:03,442 Me and D. Boon, we ran the parking lot there. 858 00:51:03,443 --> 00:51:05,374 This was in the late 70's. 859 00:51:07,061 --> 00:51:09,489 First we worked together at Jack in the Box on Sixth Street, 860 00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:11,573 you pass it on Gaffey. 861 00:51:11,574 --> 00:51:14,405 $1.65 an hour, we did graveyard there, 11 to seven. 862 00:51:16,452 --> 00:51:18,182 D. Boon was sensitive man, an artist man, 863 00:51:18,183 --> 00:51:20,262 a painter with the guitar. 864 00:51:20,263 --> 00:51:23,213 - So when your mothers and fathers create forums 865 00:51:23,214 --> 00:51:26,923 in which your children can learn the beauty of the world 866 00:51:26,924 --> 00:51:31,063 through the arts so they can pass it on to their children. 867 00:51:31,065 --> 00:51:34,324 That's what my parents did for me. 868 00:51:34,325 --> 00:51:35,718 Make Art not Bombs. 869 00:51:41,046 --> 00:51:44,216 - So I took this idea of doing a Minutemen show on a boat 870 00:51:44,217 --> 00:51:48,024 in the harbor to D. Boon, Mike Watt and George 871 00:51:48,025 --> 00:51:50,777 and they were really excited about it. 872 00:51:50,778 --> 00:51:52,667 And they were like, "Hey, we can get the Meat Puppets." 873 00:51:52,668 --> 00:51:54,881 And I was like, wow, that would be amazing. 874 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,420 The Meat Puppets started out as this demented, 875 00:52:00,421 --> 00:52:03,869 chaotic thrash band from Phoenix, Arizona 876 00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:05,889 that had somehow emerged as some of the most 877 00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:07,654 skilled musicians on the scene. 878 00:52:17,777 --> 00:52:20,212 Part of the Desolation Center concept was to 879 00:52:20,213 --> 00:52:24,042 take this music and put it into environments 880 00:52:24,043 --> 00:52:25,743 where you don't usually see music 881 00:52:25,744 --> 00:52:27,822 and really be able to experience 882 00:52:27,823 --> 00:52:30,606 other parts of the landscape in a new way. 883 00:52:35,605 --> 00:52:39,414 The big challenge was, how do you find a boat in the harbor 884 00:52:39,415 --> 00:52:42,064 that's willing to let pack hundreds of punk rockers 885 00:52:42,065 --> 00:52:45,325 onto this boat and take it around the harbor. 886 00:52:45,326 --> 00:52:48,896 Finally I found a whale watch boat out of King Harbor 887 00:52:48,897 --> 00:52:51,786 in Redondo Beach and then I was looking at the boat 888 00:52:51,787 --> 00:52:54,267 like where's the actual stage going to be. 889 00:52:54,268 --> 00:52:56,773 Where's the music going to be performed? 890 00:52:56,774 --> 00:53:00,847 So we had to actually build a stage on the boat 891 00:53:00,848 --> 00:53:04,524 while it was going from Redondo Beach to San Pedro. 892 00:53:04,525 --> 00:53:07,519 - We were hauling ass, basically. 893 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,198 And I'm slapping this stage together. 894 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:14,389 In my mind I just kept thinking, D. Boon, I was thinking, 895 00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:16,641 it's gotta hold him, it's gotta hold D. Boon. 896 00:53:23,142 --> 00:53:25,804 - I don't think those boat guys knew what was coming. 897 00:53:25,805 --> 00:53:27,822 I don't think they wanted it to happen. 898 00:53:27,823 --> 00:53:30,940 They probably had plenty of weddings on the boat 899 00:53:30,941 --> 00:53:32,232 and they were good with that. 900 00:53:32,233 --> 00:53:34,603 They had never seen someone showing up 901 00:53:34,604 --> 00:53:38,543 with a 1,000 watt tri-amplified sound rig 902 00:53:38,544 --> 00:53:42,004 with four monitors on two mixes 903 00:53:42,005 --> 00:53:45,119 and a 16 channel mixing board. 904 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,169 I just had a lot of stuff. 905 00:53:49,456 --> 00:53:53,220 They stopped us from getting on board in a timely manner. 906 00:53:54,544 --> 00:53:56,346 So we had to do soundcheck 907 00:53:56,347 --> 00:53:58,181 with everybody standing right there. 908 00:53:59,681 --> 00:54:02,601 - Let me hear a beat. 909 00:54:03,685 --> 00:54:06,436 (drums playing) 910 00:54:17,231 --> 00:54:18,603 I must say that I've been 911 00:54:18,604 --> 00:54:20,317 looking forward to this for a long time. 912 00:54:20,318 --> 00:54:22,516 I've never played on a boat before. 913 00:54:22,517 --> 00:54:24,674 - I think for me, probably just because we were on a boat, 914 00:54:24,675 --> 00:54:28,228 and I'm from the desert, it's just kind of like, oh a boat. 915 00:54:28,229 --> 00:54:32,806 I like boats and stuff, but I had never been to 916 00:54:32,807 --> 00:54:34,512 a big harbor like that. 917 00:54:34,513 --> 00:54:37,803 I didn't have any idea so I was getting my eyes opened up 918 00:54:37,804 --> 00:54:39,733 just seeing all those crates stacked up 919 00:54:39,734 --> 00:54:40,987 and all the big cranes. 920 00:54:42,143 --> 00:54:44,346 (punk rock music) 921 00:54:44,347 --> 00:54:47,097 (lyrics muffled) 922 00:55:02,727 --> 00:55:04,887 - That gig was far out, man. 923 00:55:04,888 --> 00:55:07,337 That was absolutely one of the highlights 924 00:55:07,338 --> 00:55:10,008 of my musical career in a lot of ways. 925 00:55:10,009 --> 00:55:11,861 Just magical as crap. 926 00:55:18,541 --> 00:55:20,135 I'm from the fucking desert. 927 00:55:20,136 --> 00:55:22,209 So you get me on a boat in the first place 928 00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:25,300 and we're talking about this thing is kind of wobbly 929 00:55:25,301 --> 00:55:27,030 and I'm getting a little bit queasy 930 00:55:27,031 --> 00:55:29,411 and then it starts chuggling around 931 00:55:29,412 --> 00:55:30,761 the fucking harbor in there 932 00:55:31,833 --> 00:55:34,285 and that was just completely and entirely wonderful. 933 00:55:44,254 --> 00:55:46,674 - When the Meat Puppets started playing, 934 00:55:46,675 --> 00:55:49,217 the stage had a little instability 935 00:55:49,218 --> 00:55:52,574 and they were just kind of bouncing up and down 936 00:55:52,575 --> 00:55:55,445 and the way that the speakers were set for the PA 937 00:55:55,446 --> 00:55:57,126 were doing this and we're like, 938 00:55:57,127 --> 00:55:59,175 oh shit, these things are gonna fall, 939 00:55:59,176 --> 00:56:01,496 either on the audience or into the water or something 940 00:56:01,497 --> 00:56:02,947 and they had to stop the show 941 00:56:03,867 --> 00:56:06,587 and whoever had put it up secured them. 942 00:56:06,588 --> 00:56:09,350 I think they just got some ropes or straps. 943 00:56:09,351 --> 00:56:13,954 And it was like good sailing from there on out. 944 00:56:13,955 --> 00:56:16,705 (lyrics muffled) 945 00:56:36,312 --> 00:56:39,782 - It was really great to be on the boat 946 00:56:39,783 --> 00:56:44,282 moving at night, just cruising the harbor 947 00:56:44,283 --> 00:56:46,212 and listening to rock music. 948 00:56:46,213 --> 00:56:47,466 Just everything about that, 949 00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:51,577 the big cranes to load the tankers. 950 00:56:51,578 --> 00:56:54,054 Just everything down there is kind of weird 951 00:56:54,055 --> 00:56:55,718 and it looks great at night. 952 00:57:12,347 --> 00:57:14,017 - I'm surprised they let you even rent 953 00:57:14,018 --> 00:57:15,177 the charter boat to do that. 954 00:57:15,178 --> 00:57:17,187 - [Interviewer] It was a little touch and go. 955 00:57:17,188 --> 00:57:18,658 - I don't think you can do that these days, 956 00:57:18,659 --> 00:57:20,269 not with Homeland Security and stuff, 957 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:22,008 they wouldn't let you do it I don't think. 958 00:57:22,009 --> 00:57:23,959 Now you can't even get near the harbor. 959 00:57:28,834 --> 00:57:31,335 We did a lot of gigs and we played a lot of places, 960 00:57:31,336 --> 00:57:34,940 but it's always kind of nice to play in your own hometown 961 00:57:34,941 --> 00:57:37,301 because a lot of people don't really go 962 00:57:37,302 --> 00:57:39,005 beyond their own town. 963 00:57:55,266 --> 00:57:58,404 - And then there we were dancing as the boat cruised 964 00:57:58,405 --> 00:58:01,854 at a good I don't know clip of 10. 965 00:58:01,855 --> 00:58:04,635 Then it would get to the edge 966 00:58:04,636 --> 00:58:06,285 where we were going to go out into the sea. 967 00:58:06,286 --> 00:58:09,746 And it would turn around while the band was playing 968 00:58:09,747 --> 00:58:12,436 and it would come back and it was the Minutemen 969 00:58:12,437 --> 00:58:16,105 and we were all just kind of skankin' on that ship. 970 00:58:16,106 --> 00:58:20,085 - On the 29th we're playing for El Salvador once again. 971 00:58:20,086 --> 00:58:23,477 I hope as many of you people out there can go to that. 972 00:58:23,478 --> 00:58:24,891 - They were from Pedro, but we still kind of 973 00:58:24,892 --> 00:58:28,632 considered them our own here in Los Angeles. 974 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:34,400 They talked about stuff that nobody talked about in songs. 975 00:58:34,401 --> 00:58:35,901 - Our band could be your life. 976 00:58:37,226 --> 00:58:39,395 Real names be truth. 977 00:58:41,241 --> 00:58:43,975 Me and Mike Watt, we played for years, 978 00:58:44,969 --> 00:58:47,303 punk rock changed our lives. 979 00:58:56,834 --> 00:58:59,918 We learned punk rock up in Hollywood. 980 00:59:01,111 --> 00:59:02,776 Drove up from Pedro. 981 00:59:03,937 --> 00:59:06,020 We were fucking corndogs. 982 00:59:08,082 --> 00:59:10,666 We'd get fucked up and go pogo. 983 00:59:14,126 --> 00:59:17,949 - The Joy at Sea show was in the middle of June 1984. 984 00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:20,344 A lot of what we saw that night 985 00:59:20,345 --> 00:59:24,037 were the songs that became Double Nickels on the Dime 986 00:59:24,038 --> 00:59:28,200 and it was really a peak Minutemen experience. 987 00:59:28,201 --> 00:59:31,344 - That record dropped like a bomb. 988 00:59:31,345 --> 00:59:34,152 They really upped their game. 989 00:59:35,180 --> 00:59:38,324 Double Nickels really said this is an important band. 990 00:59:39,271 --> 00:59:40,990 By the time of Double Nickels on the Dime, 991 00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:43,907 they're taking on all these kind of pre-punk 992 00:59:43,908 --> 00:59:46,481 American rootsy influences, 993 00:59:46,482 --> 00:59:49,175 Dylan and The Band and Creedence Clearwater, 994 00:59:49,176 --> 00:59:51,306 that's sort of coming through. 995 00:59:52,524 --> 00:59:55,266 It was the great underground music of that era. 996 00:59:56,449 --> 00:59:59,200 (lyrics muffled) 997 01:00:06,585 --> 01:00:08,464 - I saw Sonic Youth perform live 998 01:00:08,465 --> 01:00:11,135 at this club called The Loft in Berlin. 999 01:00:11,136 --> 01:00:14,970 I just was like, wow, these guys are so different. 1000 01:00:14,971 --> 01:00:18,107 They're playing guitars but the sounds that are coming out 1001 01:00:18,108 --> 01:00:21,106 don't sound anything like anything I've heard before. 1002 01:00:21,107 --> 01:00:24,116 They were American and I can go walk up to them 1003 01:00:24,117 --> 01:00:26,767 after the show and introduce myself. 1004 01:00:26,768 --> 01:00:29,419 Hey, if you're ever in LA we should do a desert show. 1005 01:00:34,669 --> 01:00:37,598 Michael Sheppard put out a seven inch record, 1006 01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,074 Death Valley 69, which had Sonic Youth with Lydia Lunch. 1007 01:00:50,661 --> 01:00:52,568 - We have a song called Death Valley 69. 1008 01:00:52,569 --> 01:00:56,201 It's all about this contemporary reading we were having 1009 01:00:56,202 --> 01:00:59,142 of Charles Manson and the Manson Family 1010 01:00:59,143 --> 01:01:01,729 and sort of what that meant in the Reagan era. 1011 01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:05,038 ♪ Now, now, now ♪ 1012 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,872 ♪ Death valley 69 ♪ 1013 01:01:15,356 --> 01:01:17,565 - Kim Gordon's parents lived in LA. 1014 01:01:17,566 --> 01:01:21,636 Kim grew up in LA, so they were visiting, 1015 01:01:21,637 --> 01:01:24,430 so we all decided to go drive up to Spahn Ranch. 1016 01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,367 - We're just like driving dangerously around these cliffs 1017 01:01:29,368 --> 01:01:31,557 and smoking weed and seeing the trees 1018 01:01:31,558 --> 01:01:33,208 where they carved their names in. 1019 01:01:33,209 --> 01:01:35,501 We had a big Manson luncheon that day. 1020 01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:41,209 - Things were changing. 1021 01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:42,348 Things were getting weirder. 1022 01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:45,369 Songs were getting longer and bands were going off 1023 01:01:45,370 --> 01:01:47,529 in very different directions. 1024 01:01:47,530 --> 01:01:51,103 It was sort of this new thing emerging. 1025 01:01:51,104 --> 01:01:53,571 - I think when we started hearing about 1026 01:01:53,572 --> 01:01:57,472 what was going on with these gigs in the desert 1027 01:01:57,473 --> 01:02:00,746 with Neubauten and Survival Research Laboratories 1028 01:02:00,747 --> 01:02:02,943 and Minutemen on the boat. 1029 01:02:02,944 --> 01:02:04,932 It just sounded like it was part and parcel 1030 01:02:04,933 --> 01:02:09,134 with all this kind of new weird action that was happening. 1031 01:02:09,135 --> 01:02:12,088 - I have this great, typed letter from Thurston 1032 01:02:12,089 --> 01:02:14,457 from his trip to LA. 1033 01:02:14,458 --> 01:02:18,154 It was all about, you're gonna love it out here. 1034 01:02:18,155 --> 01:02:19,375 They have all these great burgers 1035 01:02:19,376 --> 01:02:23,326 and me and Kim went with the Nip Drivers up to Spahn Ranch 1036 01:02:23,327 --> 01:02:25,865 and they were taking some black gel acid, 1037 01:02:25,866 --> 01:02:27,129 but not me and Kim. 1038 01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:29,521 - And then they came back 1039 01:02:29,522 --> 01:02:32,069 to visit Kim's family over Christmas 1040 01:02:32,070 --> 01:02:34,956 so we decided since they're gonna be here anyway, 1041 01:02:34,957 --> 01:02:36,137 let's do a desert show. 1042 01:02:36,138 --> 01:02:39,405 So we picked the first full moon after New Years, 1043 01:02:39,406 --> 01:02:40,943 which was January fifth. 1044 01:02:45,129 --> 01:02:48,744 The big change for that show was we that decided 1045 01:02:48,745 --> 01:02:50,982 after much pressure from a lot of people 1046 01:02:50,983 --> 01:02:53,187 that didn't want to ride school buses, 1047 01:02:53,188 --> 01:02:57,321 we'd either let them drive themselves or take the bus. 1048 01:02:57,322 --> 01:02:58,522 So we actually had both. 1049 01:03:01,673 --> 01:03:03,262 What we ended up doing was have people 1050 01:03:03,263 --> 01:03:06,362 go to a checkpoint in Victorville 1051 01:03:06,363 --> 01:03:08,173 and then they would get a map there 1052 01:03:08,174 --> 01:03:09,474 to go the rest of the way. 1053 01:03:14,854 --> 01:03:16,373 - Little did I know that going to that map point 1054 01:03:16,374 --> 01:03:18,924 would lead me down a path of going to shows 1055 01:03:18,925 --> 01:03:20,965 where I needed to go to map points first 1056 01:03:20,966 --> 01:03:23,395 for the next 30 or 40 years. 1057 01:03:23,396 --> 01:03:25,435 Because I'm still doing that. 1058 01:03:25,436 --> 01:03:26,815 - You need to go and get your stamp, 1059 01:03:26,816 --> 01:03:28,742 try to get your stamp at the corner. 1060 01:03:28,743 --> 01:03:29,730 - Okay. 1061 01:03:32,487 --> 01:03:33,321 - Do you have stamps? 1062 01:03:33,322 --> 01:03:35,081 - This is so tripendicular. 1063 01:03:35,082 --> 01:03:39,522 - One, two, three. 1064 01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:44,828 Pass Lucerne Valley and take 247 east, 1065 01:03:44,829 --> 01:03:48,302 which is another road, 18 goes south then get on 247 east. 1066 01:03:48,303 --> 01:03:50,830 Follow 247 16 more miles 1067 01:03:50,831 --> 01:03:52,720 till you see a Desolation Center gila monster sign. 1068 01:03:52,721 --> 01:03:54,351 Get on the dirt road. 1069 01:04:24,856 --> 01:04:27,576 - Arriving at the desert, the first thing I remember seeing 1070 01:04:27,577 --> 01:04:32,295 was the Blue Oyster Cult icon on this stone 1071 01:04:32,296 --> 01:04:35,955 overlooking the area which we were gonna play, 1072 01:04:35,956 --> 01:04:37,396 which was basically a generator 1073 01:04:37,397 --> 01:04:41,131 and a jerry-rigged PA in the sand. 1074 01:04:43,409 --> 01:04:46,968 - It was the west coast premiere of Sonic Youth 1075 01:04:46,969 --> 01:04:50,249 so we had the Meat Puppets and then Redd Kross 1076 01:04:50,250 --> 01:04:52,839 was a favorite of me and a lot of friends at the time 1077 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,103 as well as Sonic Youth. 1078 01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:58,416 - Redd Kross were just so cute and they were just so funny. 1079 01:04:58,417 --> 01:05:01,760 I think it took balls to not be these punk rockers 1080 01:05:01,761 --> 01:05:03,982 and to just be these glam kids. 1081 01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:08,051 There was a period when punk rock was a staunch thing 1082 01:05:08,052 --> 01:05:10,686 and they were into glam and Bowie. 1083 01:05:13,584 --> 01:05:16,732 - My roommate at the time was Perry Farrell, 1084 01:05:16,733 --> 01:05:20,253 who went on to be Jane's Addiction, and found Lollapalooza. 1085 01:05:20,254 --> 01:05:24,534 So Perry was like, we'll open, 1086 01:05:24,535 --> 01:05:26,874 and it was hard to turn that down. 1087 01:05:26,875 --> 01:05:28,899 - It was before Jane's Addiction started, 1088 01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:30,665 so he was this funny guy with the crazy long dreadlocks 1089 01:05:30,666 --> 01:05:32,985 in a band called Psi-Com that played at the Anti Club a lot 1090 01:05:32,986 --> 01:05:34,637 to only a few people in the room. 1091 01:05:37,778 --> 01:05:39,946 - I think if he wasn't helping us 1092 01:05:39,947 --> 01:05:42,315 they probably wouldn't have opened up for the shows. 1093 01:05:42,316 --> 01:05:45,397 Perry's very funny and very likable 1094 01:05:45,398 --> 01:05:47,837 and a very good friend of ours, 1095 01:05:47,838 --> 01:05:49,708 but he was a guy who didn't mind certainly 1096 01:05:49,709 --> 01:05:51,566 pitching in and helping out. 1097 01:05:53,291 --> 01:05:56,123 (punk rock music) 1098 01:06:08,841 --> 01:06:12,771 - You let us play for a short time at the bottom there 1099 01:06:12,772 --> 01:06:14,152 which was really cool. 1100 01:06:14,153 --> 01:06:15,336 I thank you for that. 1101 01:06:24,174 --> 01:06:27,154 - People were really sort of in a really good mood 1102 01:06:27,155 --> 01:06:29,114 and I didn't really find out until later 1103 01:06:29,115 --> 01:06:30,484 that everybody was dosed. 1104 01:06:30,485 --> 01:06:34,687 - Some chick I knew brought like 500 hits of acid 1105 01:06:34,688 --> 01:06:36,799 and gave it to everybody. 1106 01:06:56,139 --> 01:06:59,283 - Sonic Youth playing in the desert on LSD is perfect. 1107 01:07:02,370 --> 01:07:04,900 The darkness in the music, we were all feeling. 1108 01:07:04,901 --> 01:07:07,747 Like the Reaganomics and the way the government was going. 1109 01:07:07,748 --> 01:07:11,080 There was a dark undercurrent in society. 1110 01:07:11,081 --> 01:07:13,201 It was there. 1111 01:07:13,202 --> 01:07:14,644 It's therapeutic in that weird way 1112 01:07:14,645 --> 01:07:17,841 because it releases all whatever weird, negative energy 1113 01:07:17,842 --> 01:07:20,492 and then you associate this really beautiful scenarios 1114 01:07:20,493 --> 01:07:21,952 with the music. 1115 01:07:21,953 --> 01:07:22,999 ("Brother James" by Sonic Youth) 1116 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,203 ♪ Someone knockin' at my door ♪ 1117 01:07:25,204 --> 01:07:28,123 ♪ I don't need 'em anymore ♪ 1118 01:07:28,124 --> 01:07:32,042 ♪ Someone knockin' at my door ♪ 1119 01:07:44,037 --> 01:07:47,298 - To see Kim, a woman, playing bass. 1120 01:07:47,299 --> 01:07:51,407 All of a sudden I just felt like that's what music 1121 01:07:51,408 --> 01:07:52,525 should sound like. 1122 01:07:52,526 --> 01:07:54,928 And she was just so badass. 1123 01:07:54,929 --> 01:07:57,291 She was a big part of that sound. 1124 01:08:13,753 --> 01:08:15,701 - Sonic Youth had the most impact on me. 1125 01:08:15,702 --> 01:08:20,442 Maybe because it was the most kind of alien at that point. 1126 01:08:20,443 --> 01:08:22,302 They're using their guitars in a way 1127 01:08:22,303 --> 01:08:25,426 that we had never seen anybody use their guitars before. 1128 01:08:27,613 --> 01:08:29,802 - People are like, whoa, what's going on. 1129 01:08:29,803 --> 01:08:31,203 At first it was kind of unexpected, 1130 01:08:31,204 --> 01:08:32,713 like what the fuck are these guys doing? 1131 01:08:32,714 --> 01:08:34,434 And then I just remember slowly, 1132 01:08:34,435 --> 01:08:37,473 more and more people gathering around 1133 01:08:37,474 --> 01:08:40,078 our little circle of sand where we were playing. 1134 01:08:53,848 --> 01:08:55,577 - I thought that was the best time for me 1135 01:08:55,578 --> 01:08:56,833 that I'd seen Sonic Youth. 1136 01:08:56,834 --> 01:09:01,525 That environment worked really well for them with the music. 1137 01:09:10,617 --> 01:09:12,832 - Turn the lights off. 1138 01:09:12,833 --> 01:09:17,346 - They just came out and started doing like a space jam. 1139 01:09:17,347 --> 01:09:20,014 (jamming music) 1140 01:09:37,275 --> 01:09:39,709 I just clicked the lights off. 1141 01:09:39,710 --> 01:09:41,354 And it was cool, they just did the whole set 1142 01:09:41,355 --> 01:09:43,506 with no lights in the middle of the desert. 1143 01:09:55,497 --> 01:09:57,172 - When the lights were turned off 1144 01:09:57,173 --> 01:10:01,377 the whole area was illuminated by nothing but the full moon. 1145 01:10:01,378 --> 01:10:04,678 And it just creates this otherworldly landscape 1146 01:10:04,679 --> 01:10:07,831 and you're hearing this music that's completely psychedelic. 1147 01:10:15,611 --> 01:10:17,733 - What a unique opportunity to be able to play out in 1148 01:10:17,734 --> 01:10:18,567 the middle of the desert 1149 01:10:18,568 --> 01:10:20,920 in the middle of the night in the dark. 1150 01:10:20,921 --> 01:10:25,257 There was enhancements involved in the evening, if you will. 1151 01:10:25,258 --> 01:10:27,802 We were enhanced. 1152 01:10:27,803 --> 01:10:30,622 I was good and fucking enhanced. 1153 01:10:30,623 --> 01:10:32,952 - There was very few people that weren't tripping. 1154 01:10:32,953 --> 01:10:37,153 - The moon was full, Joshua Trees around, 1155 01:10:37,154 --> 01:10:38,167 it was pretty weird. 1156 01:10:44,785 --> 01:10:47,005 - You get a bunch of people on LSD together 1157 01:10:47,006 --> 01:10:49,094 and you have a group of people that are in 1158 01:10:49,096 --> 01:10:52,766 an enlightened state and then that partly drives the music 1159 01:10:52,767 --> 01:10:55,190 that's coming out too so it's a give and take. 1160 01:11:02,494 --> 01:11:04,917 I was walking around, I was like okay, 1161 01:11:04,918 --> 01:11:06,620 I'm seeing this thing. 1162 01:11:06,621 --> 01:11:11,040 I think I went around and polled a few dozen people, 1163 01:11:11,041 --> 01:11:15,359 do you see this very special thing happening 1164 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,360 in the sky, in the air and yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 1165 01:11:20,891 --> 01:11:22,314 That was the community fry. 1166 01:11:26,102 --> 01:11:29,054 I was tripping, I was just tripping. 1167 01:11:33,155 --> 01:11:35,262 - I think the whole crowd was all sort of communally 1168 01:11:35,263 --> 01:11:39,830 coming on and there was just one big drunken skinhead guy, 1169 01:11:41,754 --> 01:11:44,113 maybe not the brightest bulb in the bunch. 1170 01:11:44,114 --> 01:11:45,883 And he just grabbed a hold of the microphone 1171 01:11:45,884 --> 01:11:48,351 and he just kept screaming over and over again. 1172 01:11:48,352 --> 01:11:50,075 "We're in the desert!" 1173 01:11:51,314 --> 01:11:53,804 - We're in the desert! 1174 01:11:53,805 --> 01:11:56,889 I see, we're in the desert, you see! 1175 01:11:59,625 --> 01:12:01,709 See we're in the desert! 1176 01:12:04,397 --> 01:12:05,603 - Wow, I don't remember this at all. 1177 01:12:05,604 --> 01:12:09,438 - Full moon, in the desert, the moon is full! 1178 01:12:23,601 --> 01:12:26,530 - We played a show in San Francisco 1179 01:12:26,531 --> 01:12:29,750 so instead of trying to power out by car, 1180 01:12:29,751 --> 01:12:32,860 we flew from San Francisco to Burbank. 1181 01:12:32,861 --> 01:12:36,682 So this girl comes and meets us at the airport 1182 01:12:36,683 --> 01:12:41,328 and she's in this huge, early 70's big American car 1183 01:12:41,329 --> 01:12:45,983 with gigantic anarchy A's in black paint 1184 01:12:45,984 --> 01:12:48,358 on the hood and the doors and all this. 1185 01:12:50,234 --> 01:12:51,893 And so we're in the Anarchy-mobile, 1186 01:12:51,895 --> 01:12:53,494 that's what we dubbed it, 1187 01:12:53,495 --> 01:12:56,655 and this girl is just driving like a bat out of heck. 1188 01:12:56,656 --> 01:12:58,354 And we obviously had no idea where we were going. 1189 01:12:58,355 --> 01:12:59,931 She didn't seem to have any idea where she was going either. 1190 01:12:59,932 --> 01:13:01,405 This is what we know. 1191 01:13:01,406 --> 01:13:04,383 There's a dirt road somewhere in the Mojave Desert 1192 01:13:04,384 --> 01:13:07,096 and two or three miles off this dirt road, 1193 01:13:07,097 --> 01:13:07,988 there's this show. 1194 01:13:07,989 --> 01:13:09,640 And that's all we know. 1195 01:13:11,427 --> 01:13:13,418 - There's no cell phones at this point. 1196 01:13:13,419 --> 01:13:15,272 It's not like you can call someone and say hey, we're lost. 1197 01:13:15,273 --> 01:13:17,008 We're just lost. 1198 01:13:17,009 --> 01:13:19,408 Did anyone even know we were lost? 1199 01:13:19,409 --> 01:13:20,560 Would anybody come out looking? 1200 01:13:20,561 --> 01:13:21,430 Where would they find us? 1201 01:13:21,431 --> 01:13:23,055 We didn't know where we were. 1202 01:13:23,056 --> 01:13:25,242 - And we're just lost, completely lost. 1203 01:13:25,243 --> 01:13:28,000 Because we just kept taking random dirt roads 1204 01:13:28,001 --> 01:13:29,309 and driving in two miles 1205 01:13:29,310 --> 01:13:32,064 and then we'd see nothing and we'd drive back out. 1206 01:13:32,065 --> 01:13:34,561 - You couldn't see very far, 1207 01:13:34,562 --> 01:13:37,822 it was like being lost in a cornfield for crying out loud. 1208 01:13:37,823 --> 01:13:38,812 It was pretty scary, we were almost out of gas. 1209 01:13:38,813 --> 01:13:42,316 There was no light anywhere except for the car headlights. 1210 01:13:44,953 --> 01:13:47,031 - So we're lost for hours 1211 01:13:47,032 --> 01:13:48,223 and we're just at the mercy of this girl 1212 01:13:48,224 --> 01:13:50,123 just blazing through the desert. 1213 01:13:51,004 --> 01:13:52,093 And we see these two cars 1214 01:13:52,094 --> 01:13:53,547 and they seem to be driving in tandem. 1215 01:13:53,548 --> 01:13:57,704 So we're like, hey, you guys trying to find this thing? 1216 01:13:57,705 --> 01:14:02,706 And they're like yeah, we've been driving around for hours. 1217 01:14:03,106 --> 01:14:06,188 So we start this little caravan of the three cars. 1218 01:14:06,189 --> 01:14:09,076 The Anarchy-mobile runs out of gas. 1219 01:14:09,077 --> 01:14:11,786 Apparently the car belonged to her boyfriend 1220 01:14:11,787 --> 01:14:13,557 and she just didn't seem to care in the least. 1221 01:14:13,558 --> 01:14:16,004 She was completely fine just leaving the car there. 1222 01:14:16,005 --> 01:14:18,084 And it might still be there rusting, 1223 01:14:18,085 --> 01:14:20,787 two miles off some abandoned dirt road 1224 01:14:20,788 --> 01:14:22,825 in the middle of the Mojave Desert for all I know. 1225 01:14:22,826 --> 01:14:27,827 We all had to transfer to the other two cars. 1226 01:14:28,350 --> 01:14:30,218 And I was really bummed because full-on 1227 01:14:30,219 --> 01:14:32,266 we were missing the Meat Puppets, we know at this point. 1228 01:14:32,267 --> 01:14:37,269 Let alone like we're on the verge of missing the entire gig. 1229 01:14:39,871 --> 01:14:42,069 I ended up curled up in a fetal position 1230 01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:46,812 with a barbecue kind of like wedged in between in the middle 1231 01:14:46,813 --> 01:14:48,816 and that's how I laid for hours. 1232 01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:54,711 - [Announcer] We have an announcement, 1233 01:14:54,712 --> 01:14:56,299 just in case you haven't heard. 1234 01:14:56,300 --> 01:15:00,301 Redd Kross is going to play next, they are here. 1235 01:15:01,779 --> 01:15:03,138 - [Woman] Can the girl who brougth Redd Kross here 1236 01:15:03,139 --> 01:15:04,435 come up here? 1237 01:15:04,436 --> 01:15:06,517 Caroline or whatever? 1238 01:15:06,518 --> 01:15:08,269 You got lost with us? 1239 01:15:10,295 --> 01:15:12,766 My acid is in your car, it's an emergency. 1240 01:15:12,767 --> 01:15:15,196 - There was no equipment, we had to fight with the 1241 01:15:15,197 --> 01:15:16,594 Meat Puppets about playing. 1242 01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:20,866 With everyone we found enough amps to perform 1243 01:15:20,867 --> 01:15:22,907 - Well we got there, we found out everyone was on acid too. 1244 01:15:22,908 --> 01:15:24,278 - Yeah, everyone was on acid 1245 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:26,406 and there was no plans for us to get home. 1246 01:15:26,407 --> 01:15:28,779 - [Performer] It's a full moon tonight so. 1247 01:15:28,780 --> 01:15:30,864 - [Performer] We're in the desert! 1248 01:15:30,865 --> 01:15:32,356 (screaming) 1249 01:15:32,357 --> 01:15:35,769 - I mean I was wearing sweats, sweats and a bomber jacket. 1250 01:15:35,770 --> 01:15:36,751 - Oh you had sweats on? 1251 01:15:36,751 --> 01:15:37,601 - Yeah, I was in sweats. 1252 01:15:37,601 --> 01:15:38,435 - The lemon yellow. 1253 01:15:38,436 --> 01:15:40,660 - At the time we were a little flashier. 1254 01:15:40,661 --> 01:15:42,590 - Yeah, we would never have gone on stage 1255 01:15:42,591 --> 01:15:44,140 without our proper stage attire. 1256 01:15:44,141 --> 01:15:45,911 And I'm wearing jeans and at that time 1257 01:15:45,912 --> 01:15:48,302 I would've never worn jeans on stage 1258 01:15:48,303 --> 01:15:50,399 but the night before we were all dolled up 1259 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,487 and our clothes were soaking wet. 1260 01:15:52,488 --> 01:15:56,322 - [Performer] My pussy's ready for Redd Kross 1261 01:15:58,357 --> 01:16:02,191 ("Linda Blair" by Redd Kross) 1262 01:16:12,338 --> 01:16:14,252 ♪ In the exorcist, baby ♪ 1263 01:16:14,253 --> 01:16:15,780 ♪ You were really insane ♪ 1264 01:16:15,781 --> 01:16:18,160 ♪ You got busted, you got dusted ♪ 1265 01:16:18,161 --> 01:16:20,327 ♪ You got busted for cocaine ♪ 1266 01:16:20,328 --> 01:16:22,467 ♪ You're born innocent girl ♪ 1267 01:16:22,468 --> 01:16:24,702 ♪ And that ain't all ♪ 1268 01:16:24,703 --> 01:16:28,827 ♪ You got it for the first time baby in a shower stall ♪ 1269 01:16:28,828 --> 01:16:30,669 ♪ Kidnapped, raped and possessed ♪ 1270 01:16:30,670 --> 01:16:33,130 ♪ Linda is the best ♪ 1271 01:16:33,131 --> 01:16:35,323 ♪ She used to be on the run ♪ 1272 01:16:35,324 --> 01:16:37,496 ♪ But now she thinks it's a lot of fun ♪ 1273 01:16:37,497 --> 01:16:40,596 ♪ She takes her cigarettes from her sleeve ♪ 1274 01:16:40,597 --> 01:16:42,288 ♪ Now she never wants to leave ♪ 1275 01:16:42,289 --> 01:16:45,706 ♪ Not even when she's 18 ♪ 1276 01:17:53,072 --> 01:17:55,411 - I mean the show was really, really fun. 1277 01:17:55,412 --> 01:17:58,438 It was freezing cold, but it was magical. 1278 01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,856 - We love you and goodnight. 1279 01:18:02,923 --> 01:18:07,742 - So many people that became important in our lives 1280 01:18:07,743 --> 01:18:10,930 and that remain a part of our circle in LA, 1281 01:18:10,931 --> 01:18:13,404 we met them all there. 1282 01:18:13,405 --> 01:18:16,343 A lot of those people became friends for 1283 01:18:16,344 --> 01:18:19,129 really long periods of our career. 1284 01:18:19,130 --> 01:18:21,275 - I don't know how things would've been different 1285 01:18:21,276 --> 01:18:23,635 if that desert show never happened. 1286 01:18:23,636 --> 01:18:24,469 The fact that it did happen, 1287 01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:27,756 it California-ized Sonic Youth like no other gig 1288 01:18:27,757 --> 01:18:29,171 would ever have done that. 1289 01:18:44,206 --> 01:18:45,988 - After Gila Monster Jamboree, I really felt like 1290 01:18:45,989 --> 01:18:48,198 I'd done three desert shows. 1291 01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:51,836 They were really cool, it was a really great experience 1292 01:18:51,837 --> 01:18:54,597 for the people that were there, the music was amazing. 1293 01:18:54,598 --> 01:18:57,524 I'm done, I don't need to do anymore desert shows. 1294 01:18:57,525 --> 01:18:59,561 I never really had the idea of like 1295 01:18:59,562 --> 01:19:02,091 oh, let's start an annual festival or anything. 1296 01:19:02,092 --> 01:19:03,319 It just didn't occur to me. 1297 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,712 At that point in time 1298 01:19:04,713 --> 01:19:07,522 no one really made money putting on shows 1299 01:19:07,523 --> 01:19:09,736 and then I get a letter from the Bureau of Land Management. 1300 01:19:09,737 --> 01:19:12,790 Dear Mister Swezey, you have admitted 1301 01:19:12,791 --> 01:19:16,814 to Chief Rnager Ken Kleiber on January 13, 1985 1302 01:19:16,815 --> 01:19:19,636 that you were responsible for promoting the rock concert. 1303 01:19:19,637 --> 01:19:23,146 You also admitted selling 200 tickets to the event. 1304 01:19:23,147 --> 01:19:27,373 We have determined trespass damages to be $400. 1305 01:19:27,374 --> 01:19:28,929 It kind of freaked me out. 1306 01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:31,328 I thought I was doing this secret show 1307 01:19:31,329 --> 01:19:33,086 with no permits and all that 1308 01:19:33,088 --> 01:19:35,363 and yet the federal government managed to find me. 1309 01:19:35,364 --> 01:19:39,046 I just really felt like wow, something has changed here. 1310 01:19:39,047 --> 01:19:41,573 I'm on the radar. 1311 01:19:42,749 --> 01:19:44,183 We did leave a lot of beer bottles out there. 1312 01:19:44,184 --> 01:19:46,842 We didn't do a great job of cleaning up 1313 01:19:46,843 --> 01:19:49,699 and I had to come up with this $400, 1314 01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:52,254 which at that time seemed like a lot of money. 1315 01:19:54,971 --> 01:19:57,231 Then the Minutemen, the Nip Drivers and Lawndale, 1316 01:19:57,232 --> 01:19:58,931 played a benefit at the Anti Club. 1317 01:20:01,369 --> 01:20:02,655 And we raised enough money to pay off 1318 01:20:02,656 --> 01:20:04,115 the Federal government. 1319 01:20:10,864 --> 01:20:13,723 By the summer of 1985, 1320 01:20:13,724 --> 01:20:17,143 I was completely done promoting shows. 1321 01:20:17,144 --> 01:20:18,983 A friend of mine came to me and said 1322 01:20:18,984 --> 01:20:19,905 we have grant money from 1323 01:20:19,906 --> 01:20:21,985 the National Endowment for the Arts, 1324 01:20:21,986 --> 01:20:23,174 would you want to put on a show 1325 01:20:23,175 --> 01:20:25,538 with the Swans and Sonic Youth? 1326 01:20:27,366 --> 01:20:29,933 On the one hand, I had just finished paying off 1327 01:20:29,934 --> 01:20:32,342 the federal government and now I'm getting 1328 01:20:32,343 --> 01:20:37,190 a ton more grant money to put on a show with 1329 01:20:37,191 --> 01:20:40,037 the coolest bands from New York. 1330 01:20:40,038 --> 01:20:43,206 It was sort of an effort to become a little bit more legit. 1331 01:20:43,207 --> 01:20:46,381 So that event was called Solstice 1332 01:20:46,382 --> 01:20:48,878 and it was sort of a full cycle thing 1333 01:20:48,879 --> 01:20:51,130 where we kind of returned back into downtown. 1334 01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:57,162 - This was our first West Coast show. 1335 01:20:57,163 --> 01:21:00,211 For me that was kind of a pivotal moment 1336 01:21:00,212 --> 01:21:01,045 because I'm from LA. 1337 01:21:01,046 --> 01:21:02,765 It was a big deal to play there. 1338 01:21:05,267 --> 01:21:08,185 (slow heavy music) 1339 01:21:09,592 --> 01:21:12,943 The open warehouse and the fact that it wasn't a rock club 1340 01:21:12,944 --> 01:21:13,793 was really great. 1341 01:21:17,044 --> 01:21:19,483 - Saccharine Trust opening for us were just amazing. 1342 01:21:19,484 --> 01:21:22,232 So many nice things about that concert, 1343 01:21:22,233 --> 01:21:26,118 the Winter Solstice event, but then there's this cloud. 1344 01:21:27,234 --> 01:21:29,901 (ominous music) 1345 01:22:13,902 --> 01:22:16,196 - I played out of D. Boon's amp that night. 1346 01:22:18,224 --> 01:22:20,533 We didn't have gear and I had an amp 1347 01:22:20,534 --> 01:22:23,444 that said Minutemen on the side and it was D. Boon's twin 1348 01:22:23,445 --> 01:22:24,431 reverb or whatever it was 1349 01:22:24,432 --> 01:22:26,278 and it sounded great and everything. 1350 01:22:27,604 --> 01:22:29,786 - I got home from something or other and my sister told me. 1351 01:22:29,787 --> 01:22:34,787 And very upset, and she had just heard, and just horrible. 1352 01:22:37,306 --> 01:22:38,729 - [Man] It was really tragic. 1353 01:22:38,730 --> 01:22:42,426 Lost a friend and a really amazing person and musician, 1354 01:22:42,427 --> 01:22:44,920 but also it just felt like things were different. 1355 01:22:48,268 --> 01:22:49,966 - It was like the end of an era, definitely, 1356 01:22:49,967 --> 01:22:54,491 just knowing the Minutemen would never play again. 1357 01:22:56,180 --> 01:22:59,553 - He was such a big part of the heartbeat of that scene. 1358 01:23:00,970 --> 01:23:03,226 It was like somebody had just pulled something 1359 01:23:03,227 --> 01:23:05,019 so significant out of your body, 1360 01:23:05,020 --> 01:23:08,394 and just like now, let's see how you walk. 1361 01:23:09,602 --> 01:23:10,435 Very big. 1362 01:23:11,822 --> 01:23:13,780 - Mike, George and I obviously, 1363 01:23:13,781 --> 01:23:16,829 we'd all lost this important person. 1364 01:23:16,830 --> 01:23:18,912 How do you make any sense of that? 1365 01:23:18,913 --> 01:23:21,995 - I had to let go of D. Boon at some point. 1366 01:23:21,996 --> 01:23:25,034 I couldn't keep thinking about him. 1367 01:23:25,035 --> 01:23:27,703 I couldn't even talk about him. 1368 01:23:27,704 --> 01:23:28,833 Couldn't even put in the song 1369 01:23:28,834 --> 01:23:32,929 until I got enough cajones up. 1370 01:23:33,805 --> 01:23:36,612 - When D. Boon died that was like 1371 01:23:36,613 --> 01:23:38,595 the end of a lot of things. 1372 01:23:38,596 --> 01:23:41,175 - Yeah, it sure was, it was definitely a marker. 1373 01:23:41,176 --> 01:23:43,216 It was definitely a marker. 1374 01:23:43,217 --> 01:23:47,310 - Like the utopia just started to unravel. 1375 01:23:55,158 --> 01:23:58,108 - All the things that had changed by that time 1376 01:23:58,109 --> 01:24:00,498 had finally caught up with me. 1377 01:24:00,499 --> 01:24:02,269 It wasn't just D. Boon being gone, 1378 01:24:02,270 --> 01:24:04,959 but it was the whole way the LA scene had changed. 1379 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,969 It kind of made me feel like it was time 1380 01:24:06,970 --> 01:24:08,543 to move on to something else. 1381 01:24:10,131 --> 01:24:11,831 At that time I was becoming much more interested 1382 01:24:11,832 --> 01:24:14,610 in the ideas behind this music 1383 01:24:14,611 --> 01:24:16,401 and with a group of like-minded friends 1384 01:24:16,402 --> 01:24:19,460 I started Amok Books, a subversive mail order catalog 1385 01:24:19,461 --> 01:24:21,782 publishing house and bookstore 1386 01:24:21,783 --> 01:24:24,384 that became a communal hub for the L.A. underground. 1387 01:24:27,956 --> 01:24:32,956 - L-O-L-L-A-P-A-L-O-O-Z-A. 1388 01:24:33,275 --> 01:24:35,220 - Back in the 80's there was a group of heathens 1389 01:24:35,221 --> 01:24:38,161 that put on parties in the desert 1390 01:24:38,162 --> 01:24:41,176 and we called ourself Desolation Center. 1391 01:24:41,177 --> 01:24:44,976 We had cult bands like the Minutemen 1392 01:24:44,977 --> 01:24:48,726 and the Meat Puppets and Sonic Youth. 1393 01:24:48,727 --> 01:24:50,306 - I can see a connection between Perry 1394 01:24:50,307 --> 01:24:52,981 and these Desolation Center shows 1395 01:24:52,982 --> 01:24:56,320 to being inspiring enough to get Lollapalooza out of it 1396 01:24:56,321 --> 01:24:59,412 because I think he wanted a tribal experience too. 1397 01:25:00,949 --> 01:25:05,949 - I definitely learned that to do a show, 1398 01:25:06,426 --> 01:25:11,428 to do a festival, what made your shows so unique, 1399 01:25:12,511 --> 01:25:16,706 and what made the shows to follow 1400 01:25:16,708 --> 01:25:18,480 like the Burning Mans and the Lollapaloozas 1401 01:25:18,481 --> 01:25:19,432 and the Coachellas, 1402 01:25:20,432 --> 01:25:25,432 you have to concentrate on being a great curator. 1403 01:25:47,156 --> 01:25:49,122 - How could you not like going out to the desert 1404 01:25:49,123 --> 01:25:52,286 where you feel free? 1405 01:25:52,287 --> 01:25:55,285 More people are paying attention to Coachella than ever. 1406 01:25:55,286 --> 01:25:58,751 Once it started, it seemed a little more local. 1407 01:26:00,032 --> 01:26:04,382 Now Coachella is for the world. 1408 01:26:05,398 --> 01:26:08,973 The live streams, whatever, were 84 million or something. 1409 01:26:08,974 --> 01:26:13,109 I mean it's become a little more mainstream 1410 01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:16,910 but I think society's become a little more mainstream. 1411 01:26:16,911 --> 01:26:18,240 People behave more. 1412 01:26:31,003 --> 01:26:33,363 - The Desolation Center shows, I had heard of, 1413 01:26:33,364 --> 01:26:35,766 from my friends, SRL. 1414 01:26:38,852 --> 01:26:41,300 I thought, what a great cool idea, bringing out 1415 01:26:41,301 --> 01:26:44,724 these crazy fucking bands and SRL 1416 01:26:44,725 --> 01:26:47,538 and doing whatever the fuck you want in the desert. 1417 01:26:52,567 --> 01:26:54,116 For me, it was one of the inspirations 1418 01:26:54,117 --> 01:26:56,169 when we started doing Burning Man. 1419 01:27:01,073 --> 01:27:03,077 - Some of the early Burning Man things 1420 01:27:03,078 --> 01:27:04,728 were really anarchic. 1421 01:27:04,729 --> 01:27:08,065 A bunch of weirdos out in the desert with guns. 1422 01:27:08,066 --> 01:27:11,940 - And it's a drive by shooting, ladies and gentlemen. 1423 01:27:14,028 --> 01:27:16,641 - It was about accepting the adversity 1424 01:27:16,642 --> 01:27:19,620 of the desert environment and making something 1425 01:27:19,621 --> 01:27:22,237 that was more extreme. 1426 01:27:22,238 --> 01:27:27,239 Closer to true danger and hazard. 1427 01:27:27,846 --> 01:27:30,430 (fire blowing) 1428 01:27:32,723 --> 01:27:35,611 - As far as artistic influences on Burning Man, 1429 01:27:35,612 --> 01:27:39,313 SRL was by far one of the largest, all of the machine 1430 01:27:39,314 --> 01:27:41,327 artists and fire artists in early Burning Man 1431 01:27:41,328 --> 01:27:43,318 had apprenticed at SRL. 1432 01:27:47,765 --> 01:27:50,744 - The more extremist sort of philosophy 1433 01:27:50,745 --> 01:27:53,855 about how to deal with being out there 1434 01:27:53,856 --> 01:27:56,958 in the middle of nowhere was really espoused by John Law. 1435 01:27:56,959 --> 01:28:00,650 Once he left, it was never the same anymore. 1436 01:28:08,978 --> 01:28:10,057 - I never wanted to grow it. 1437 01:28:10,058 --> 01:28:11,698 Personally as one of the main organizers 1438 01:28:11,699 --> 01:28:13,819 I didn't want to grow, I wanted to let it go organically, 1439 01:28:13,820 --> 01:28:14,653 really slow, I didn't want to promote it, 1440 01:28:14,654 --> 01:28:18,654 didn't want to push it and one of my other partners 1441 01:28:18,655 --> 01:28:21,773 relentlessly grew it any way he possibly could. 1442 01:28:42,231 --> 01:28:45,401 - In that moment, I had no idea we were making history. 1443 01:28:45,402 --> 01:28:49,954 There was no point of reference to understand 1444 01:28:49,955 --> 01:28:52,479 what a historical moment all of that was. 1445 01:28:54,066 --> 01:28:56,466 - Part of the magic of Desolation Center shows 1446 01:28:56,467 --> 01:29:01,015 and the heart of their mystique is that they faded away 1447 01:29:01,016 --> 01:29:02,555 before they had a chance to sell out. 1448 01:29:02,556 --> 01:29:05,277 Before they had a chance to become these cash cows. 1449 01:29:05,278 --> 01:29:06,824 Right when they're at the precipice of becoming 1450 01:29:06,825 --> 01:29:09,921 something huge, they just stop. 1451 01:29:13,229 --> 01:29:15,178 - So is that fair that only a few people 1452 01:29:15,179 --> 01:29:17,527 went to three desert adventures 1453 01:29:17,528 --> 01:29:21,078 or is that amazing that it stayed pure 1454 01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:22,799 and never became this thing 1455 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,053 with all these expectations attached to it. 1456 01:29:29,651 --> 01:29:32,420 It was definitely one of those doors that opens 1457 01:29:32,421 --> 01:29:35,255 and you're kind of different on the other side. 1458 01:29:38,282 --> 01:29:39,771 I wanted to set something in motion 1459 01:29:39,772 --> 01:29:41,392 but I also didn't necessarily feel like 1460 01:29:41,393 --> 01:29:43,532 I had to be in control of it all. 1461 01:29:43,533 --> 01:29:47,914 It felt like some kind of big group kind of experiment. 1462 01:29:51,905 --> 01:29:53,869 - Everybody was safe, everybody was happy, 1463 01:29:53,870 --> 01:29:56,703 there was no incidents, no one had to call an ambulance, 1464 01:29:56,704 --> 01:29:59,238 and people took care of each other. 1465 01:30:02,206 --> 01:30:05,415 - Those shows definitely reflected the feeling of that time 1466 01:30:05,416 --> 01:30:08,874 where just having possibilities or having an idea 1467 01:30:08,875 --> 01:30:11,509 and just going with it shows that spirit of 1468 01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:15,410 yeah, I want to do this, I'm going to make it happen. 1469 01:30:15,411 --> 01:30:18,661 (slow punk rock music) 1470 01:31:15,730 --> 01:31:19,562 (lyrics drowned out by music)